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Old October 29th, 2014, 06:56 PM   #2281
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The Benelux train is open for national traffic, and national tickets are valid.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #2282
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Is there an NMBS vending machine in Roosendaal?
No, not yet, that's why you need to buy your ticket online at NMBS.be You can pay with iDeal or credit card. You get a PDF. Once you are checked-in with OV-chip, your check-in is valid for 6 hours. There is even a checkin/out display at platform 3/4 of Roosendaal.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #2283
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No, not yet
So NMBS are planning to install a machine at Roosendaal?
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Old October 29th, 2014, 07:55 PM   #2284
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So NMBS are planning to install a machine at Roosendaal?
For long time... I guess NMBS will first renew all machines inside Belgium.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #2285
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Belgium should adopt the OV_Chipkaart
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Old October 29th, 2014, 08:21 PM   #2286
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Belgium should adopt the OV_Chipkaart
It would appear that NMBS have gone down the route of mobile ticketing, like Germany and Switzerland.

But they have also got their MOBIB card for Brussels, which I guess could be extended nationwide?
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Old October 29th, 2014, 08:24 PM   #2287
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A nationwide rollout of MOBIB is being worked on.

You can't pay with iDeal at SNCB Mobility (the domestic carrier), only at SNCB Europe (the international ticket sales agency).

NS does not currently enforce the 6 hour journey limit, except when you are on a postpaid plan such as Traject Vrij or the Business Card.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 08:58 PM   #2288
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Back in the day, before the roll-out of new fare structure, NS sent me an email to be part of a pilot program. We paid € 45/month for 4 months, and we could use trains for free on weekends. It was the precursor of the Weekend Vrij.

I was given conflicted info several times by conductors on the first weeks. One said I should only check in at the beginning of my journey. Other said I should check in and out anytime I transferred to other NS train. Other said I should only check-out if I was going to use other product in other companies.

There were two instances when € 10 were withdrawn from my OV-Chipkaart and then refunded the day later (!). Later on problems were fixed.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #2289
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On another note, today I learned NS not only owns Kiosk (which I knew) but it also a franchisee or master-operator of several other stores we see on stations like Starbucks, Julia and others. Apparently these operations are highly profitable but, if I read it right on the newspaper, some municipalities resent there is no space for local cafes and shops on most stations as there used to be in the past.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #2290
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NS owns most of the shops on the stations. Some are franchises (such as Starbucks, Burger King, Sissy Boy, ...) but other concepts such as Kiosk, Julia's, Brooodzaak, Wizzl, etc. are NS concepts. Some stations have a shop (mostly a coffee bar or a restaurant) that is not owned by NS but these are quite rare.

On www.nsstationsretailbedrijf.nl you can find the complete list of concepts that are either owned by NS or exploited by them.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:21 PM   #2291
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One said I should only check in at the beginning of my journey. Other said I should check in and out anytime I transferred to other NS train. Other said I should only check-out if I was going to use other product in other companies.
What's the final setup?

I'll soon have to use a day ticket I got from Kruidvat.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #2292
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Touch in at the start of your journey, touch out when:
- You reach your destination
- You take a detour (such as going from Den Bosch to Utrecht via Arnhem)
- You change operators
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Wait, you mean that I have to check in/out every time I change route using the Dagkaart?
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What's the final setup?

I'll soon have to use a day ticket I got from Kruidvat.
We use Weekend Vrij as any other ticket. Check in before boarding frist NS train, do not check if transferring from NS to NS on same direction of travel, do check out/in if transferring to other train operator (Arriva, Veola, Conexxion, Syntus) or to other public transportation. And do check out at the end of the trip.d.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:32 PM   #2295
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I don't know the exact T&C's of the Dagkaart as sold by Kruidvat/AH/Blokker/etc, but I do expect them to state something like that. Even people who have Altijd Vrij (unlimited travel) are required to do that.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #2296
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Wait, you mean that I have to check in/out every time I change route using the Dagkaart?
Yes.

You can just check out in the morning and then late back at home. If you are changing to a direction that is not allowed for direct travel you need to check out-in again, as if it were another trip.

I don't know the exact regulations on rules of direction allowed to travel, for most cases it is just "don't turn make and don't take routes that make no sense".

Formerly, travel from Tilburg => Amsterdam was only allowed via 's-Hertogenbosch (before HSL-Zuid). Yet, they never bothered me on couple occasions I traveled to Schiphol via Rotterdam. I think they only make a point if you are backtracking or doing something like Den Haag-Utrecht-Eindhoven.

The mechanics of passes and subscriptions are that no money is charged when you tap the token, while you must tap the tokens as if you were a normal regular costumer. Having a pass is a strictly financial arrangement on how you will pay (pre-pay in the case), not on how you use the system. A similar rule is in place for local subscriptions on RET, GVB, HTM
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Wow, those guys really can't leave travellers alone.

I got the Dagkaart exactly because I want to take routes that make no sense, I'll have a lot of checking operations...
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #2298
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NS owns most of the shops on the stations. Some are franchises.
And a bottle of water is everywhere the same price. No competition, instead ridiculous high price in comparison with a station kiosk in Belgium or Germany.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 09:58 PM   #2299
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Yes.

You can just check out in the morning and then late back at home. If you are changing to a direction that is not allowed for direct travel you need to check out-in again, as if it were another trip.

I don't know the exact regulations on rules of direction allowed to travel, for most cases it is just "don't turn make and don't take routes that make no sense".

Formerly, travel from Tilburg => Amsterdam was only allowed via 's-Hertogenbosch (before HSL-Zuid). Yet, they never bothered me on couple occasions I traveled to Schiphol via Rotterdam. I think they only make a point if you are backtracking or doing something like Den Haag-Utrecht-Eindhoven.

The mechanics of passes and subscriptions are that no money is charged when you tap the token, while you must tap the tokens as if you were a normal regular costumer. Having a pass is a strictly financial arrangement on how you will pay (pre-pay in the case), not on how you use the system. A similar rule is in place for local subscriptions on RET, GVB, HTM
Routings are allowed as shown on the ns-site. If I want to travel to my Parents I have five options:
Delft-Breda-Oss
Delft-Rotterdam-HSL-Breda-Oss
Delft-Rotterdam/Den Haag-Utrecht-Den Bosch-Oss
Delft-Rotterdam/Den Haag-Utrecht-Nijmegen-Oss (during construction on certain sections)
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Old October 29th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #2300
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In the end most train managers won't mind if you have a Dagkaart, most people using those passes are infrequent travellers that don't know what is expected according to the terms and conditions. And because the ticket was already paid for NS is not missing out on money.

Just make sure to do two things:
- Touch in at least once so that an inspector can see that you're not trying to game the system (after the first check-in, it gets locked to that day)
- DO touch in when changing to other operators. You will most likely be issued a fine if you're on an Arriva train without having touched in at an Arriva validator. This is for revenue distribution purposes.
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