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Old October 29th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #2301
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This approach makes much more sense
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Old October 30th, 2014, 11:47 AM   #2302
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Earlier today NS published a news message to their website, relating to their rolling stock needs and requirements.

In brief:
- NS is in final talks with CAF, a Spanish manufacturer of rolling stock, for the supply of up to 120 new Sprinter trains. These are planned to enter service from 2018.
- 18 sets of DD-AR coaches are taken from the 'mothballfleet', they will enter service later this year to offer additional capacity in some Sprinter series
- NS is still looking if they need additional double deckers but has not yet taken a decision (return of DDM-1?)
- The tender for the IC NG is ongoing, NS aims to have a selection of qualified bidders by the end of the year
- 81 sets of VIRM are being overhauled by NedTrain, as are 301 ICRm coaches. The ICRm coaches are being prepared for operation on the high speed line.



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Old October 30th, 2014, 12:23 PM   #2303
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But will they refurbish the DD-AR taken out of the reserve fleet?

They also mention on that newsletter that all NS routes will have at least 1 train every 30 min per direction all the time during the day. Most already had, some some specific local routes didn't.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 12:27 PM   #2304
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Oh god, more Southern European rolling stock... Brace yourselves.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 12:42 PM   #2305
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CAF? A well respected and proven company, I'm not worried
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Old October 30th, 2014, 12:53 PM   #2306
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Don't worry, I know those CAFs and they're really good stuff. One of the most rational and pleasant internal designs today, and who worked on the homologation process told me that the building quality is very high (also in hidden parts), they didn't find a single screw out of place. They also showed a great performance under 3 kV.
I have no informations about ride quality, but I have no reason to think it will be less than good, the overall project seems well managed.

I'm just not 100% on the idea of using them as Sprinters, they are supposed to be used a bit more as an IR. Compared to the SLT (which is the perfect Sprinter, IMHO) they have less doors, not a completely flat floor, less free "buffer space" next to the doors.

On the other hand, I never saw a Sprinter really packed, so they will probably offer a good travel quality without suffering these shortcomings.

Here's our article about the official presentation from region Friuli Venezia Giulia, you can see many photos we took:
http://www.ferrovieanordest.it/portale/node/803

PS: to be honest, I would trust also Bombardier products made in Italy (Vado Ligure plant), FS got an entire fleet of locos -the largest in Europe- built there and they're sturdy workhorses... the problem is just with the damn AB...
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Old October 30th, 2014, 01:06 PM   #2307
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There are sprinter trains that are definitely packed. Go look between Amsterdam and Almere during rush hour, or Arnhem - Nijmegen.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 04:26 PM   #2308
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This is what the new NS Sprinter EMUs will look like (altho the livery is still subject to change):



Source: Javier Goikoetxea (CAF)
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Old October 30th, 2014, 05:16 PM   #2309
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There are sprinter trains that are definitely packed. Go look between Amsterdam and Almere during rush hour, or Arnhem - Nijmegen.
Sorry, I simplified too much my sentence. What I had in mind is that there are some Sprinter services which travel less loaded, and these could be served well by a train less "S-Bahn" oriented.

The CAFs can be easily configured in a setup more urban-friendly than the ones I saw (CAF technicians explained us the possible variants), for example with the second door seen in the render.
Probably most of the space between the doors can be configured with foldable seats to gain space, although my impression is that the general design is still more prone to mid-range services than proper local links.

But in NL there is a large amount of Sprinter services which are much more mid-range than a pure S-Bahn, so that's not a bad choice at all.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 09:52 AM   #2310
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These trains are also meant to replace the remaining Mat'64 sets. Thus they are meant more for regional service, not for commuter/suburban service. I would expect things like slightly more comfortable seating, because of longer average journey times.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 07:29 PM   #2311
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Oh god, more Southern European rolling stock... Brace yourselves.
what happens in northern europe with the southern european countries
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 09:41 PM   #2312
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Last saturday the first (test)train used the new train tunnel trough Delft.
The tunnel will be used for normal service in Q1 2015.





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Don't you think the Delft project should have been built with 4 tracks?
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Don't you think the Delft project should have been built with 4 tracks?
In fact it is being build with 4 tracks...
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Do Dutch people realise that their train fares are cheap compared to other northern/western Europeans, apart from Belgium?
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Don't you think the Delft project should have been built with 4 tracks?
Well, two tunnels have been built - they just didn't finish the 2nd one because there was no funding for that at the time.

The doubling of Rijswijk - Delft-Zuid is now expected to be finished somewhere around the end of 2017.

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Do Dutch people realise that their train fares are cheap compared to other northern/western Europeans, apart from Belgium?
Fares are relatively low, indeed. A main contributor to this is not having a long distance network (as we basically have no long distances). The prices have to be low enough to be competitive with the car.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:37 PM   #2317
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The second tunnel hasn't been build as a matter of fact. Because the construction site is under the current Bridge. So traffic has to switch first before the complete second tunnel can be constructed.

The tunnel will be build though, only, as said, it will be constructed without tracks/equipment due to lack of funding.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 12:39 AM   #2318
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I may have found a way to save a few cents with the OV Chipcard but I'm not sure it's legal.

I travel from The Hague to Leiden (and back) once a week. I'm only there roughly 3 hours. Last Friday, I forgot to check out when I arrived in Leiden.

So when I came back to Leiden Centraal, 3 hours later, I checked out. Then I immediately checked back in again because I was going back to The Hague. Naturally, it registered "Overstap OK."

When I got back to The Hague and I checked out, I was charged € 2.50 for the trip versus the normal € 3.30.

Now, it's obviously a small difference I'm not going to go out of my way for an 80 cent discount. But if you have a trip like that 5 times a week, it might be worth considering. So, could they fine you for doing this?
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 01:15 AM   #2319
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I suppose.

Because they can see where you checked in (I believe). So if you are traveling in the direction of the city you originated, I suppose you get a fine. But most likely you'll get a slap on the wrist and a talk :P
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 02:01 AM   #2320
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What you are doing is legal according to the terms and conditions, altho it is probably not intended like that. That is why you are required to check out when you leave the station.

On his overview page, a ticket inspector only sees that you checked in in Leiden at a specific time. He does not see your prior check-in in Den Haag, unless he specifically goes to look for it.

In the future this loophole will be closed as The Hague will get gates and the gates in both Leiden and The Hague will be closed.
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