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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:33 AM   #2501
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So how much would one passenger cost on a shutlle like that? Here a shared transfer to Munich airport (200 km) costs 45€ each way. 310€ with a regular taxi one person.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 12:37 PM   #2502
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The Dutch safety council released some information about the Hilversum derailment of 15 January.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 02:53 PM   #2503
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Does any revenue service use this track?
Just for today you can see scheduled trains Rotterdam - Utrecht via Den Haag, with a stop in Hollands Spoor.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 06:02 PM   #2504
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That is the so-called Binckhorstboog, which runs from The Hague HS towards the Binckhorst maintenance yard. A similar line can be found between Schiedam and Rotterdam Noord.

They're not used for passenger service, but are useful as a diversionary route for when there is something disrupting services in the Den Haag - Rotterdam - Gouda triangle. Other than that, it's useful for movement of empty rolling stock.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 06:37 PM   #2505
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Here in Tilburg, bus services were cut last week. Routes didn't change much, but frequency was reduced by an average of 28%. This coincided with the start of a new concession with a new operator and new fleet.

Now apparently some are trying to spin the cuts (I'm not saying they are good or bad necessarily) as in: "buses are now better timed to match IC trains at station" [all buses in Tilburg go through the station].

That makes no sense though. There are trains in 3 different directions, departing and arriving at all times. It is not like it is a minor station served just by one train per hour per direction, where that reasoning could have made sense.

Bus local services were also cut in other cities in Noord-Brabant as well. Buses are in a though spot on public transportation provision, actually: usage of bikes is high, and that reduces the patronage of buses overall in all middle-sized cities. At the same time, the street layout of most Dutch cities is not really a good one for bus services, with few exceptions. While trains are in financially sound ground, local buses are a drain on public budget.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 07:09 PM   #2506
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That is the so-called Binckhorstboog, which runs from The Hague HS towards the Binckhorst maintenance yard. A similar line can be found between Schiedam and Rotterdam Noord.

They're not used for passenger service, but are useful as a diversionary route for when there is something disrupting services in the Den Haag - Rotterdam - Gouda triangle. Other than that, it's useful for movement of empty rolling stock.
The Schiedam-Rotterdam Noord line has been used in the past for international trains from London to the continent. People had to transfer in Hoek van Holland to the ferry to Harwich, where the trains to London depart.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 07:22 PM   #2507
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The Schiedam-Rotterdam Noord line has been used in the past for international trains from London to the continent. People had to transfer in Hoek van Holland to the ferry to Harwich, where the trains to London depart.
So the Hoek van Holland - Schiedam railway probably saw more than local old short trains.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 07:26 PM   #2508
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Here in Tilburg, bus services were cut last week. Routes didn't change much, but frequency was reduced by an average of 28%. This coincided with the start of a new concession with a new operator and new fleet.

Now apparently some are trying to spin the cuts (I'm not saying they are good or bad necessarily) as in: "buses are now better timed to match IC trains at station" [all buses in Tilburg go through the station].

That makes no sense though. There are trains in 3 different directions, departing and arriving at all times. It is not like it is a minor station served just by one train per hour per direction, where that reasoning could have made sense.

Bus local services were also cut in other cities in Noord-Brabant as well. Buses are in a though spot on public transportation provision, actually: usage of bikes is high, and that reduces the patronage of buses overall in all middle-sized cities. At the same time, the street layout of most Dutch cities is not really a good one for bus services, with few exceptions. While trains are in financially sound ground, local buses are a drain on public budget.
http://wiki.ovinnederland.nl/wiki/Tilburg

shows that IC departures are at 07/07/24/25/37/37/54/55

Looking at bus 1 which was cut from 6 to 4 buses per hour, that arrives at 04/19/34/49 in both directions, so there is some kind of relationship there.

Browsing through the timetable

http://www.arriva.nl/uploads/media/Tilburg_2015.pdf

shows that frequencies in the evening and Sunday are still good, typically every 30 minutes right into the late evening. Normally when you want to cut services to save money, you start with the evening and Sunday services. From someone used to UK bus services, this still looks OK, especially given that buses are hardly used compared to all other European countries due to the competition from mass cycling. Despite low usage, the quality of service is probably the best in Europe apart from Switzerland.

http://www.fietsberaad.nl/library/re...rlands2009.pdf

is a bit old now, but shows that only 3% of trips were carried out by bus/tram/metro.

Even though buses are far higher quality in the Netherlands than in England, the latest transport statistics which just came out shows that buses are used for 7% of trips in England.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload.../tsgb-2014.pdf

The cycling section even has a graphic comparing it with the Netherlands (31%) and the EU (7%), which makes England (2%) look particularly bad for cycling.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 07:34 PM   #2509
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So the Hoek van Holland - Schiedam railway probably saw more than local old short trains.
It did, yes. There were international trains from Hoek van Holland to destinations as far as Berlin and even Moscow.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 07:40 PM   #2510
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I find it inappropriate to compare modal share of total number of trips, ignoring a distance adjustment. If people need to travel between points A and B, what matters is the distnace between A and B.

So, yeah, 10 bike trips of 2km each end up being the equivalent to one train/car trip of 20km.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 08:07 PM   #2511
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I find it inappropriate to compare modal share of total number of trips, ignoring a distance adjustment. If people need to travel between points A and B, what matters is the distnace between A and B.

So, yeah, 10 bike trips of 2km each end up being the equivalent to one train/car trip of 20km.

There are arguments on both sides within transport academia. When comparing bikes and local buses this is less of an issue as they compete on the same kind of distances. Out of town buses might be more comparable with other countries as bike share diminishes by distance. These longer bus routes may actually be helped by bikes as you often see bike racks at bus stops where out of town buses go from.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 10:38 PM   #2512
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It is quite easy to calculate if the bus is faster than the bike, as long as you leave the weather conditions out of the equation.

The bus is faster than the bike if f>2/(s-t), with f is the bus frequency (in busses/hour) and t is the travelling time with the bus (in hours) and s is the travelling time with the bike (in hours).

So if you have a 10 km journey which takes 30 minutes by bus and 45 minutes by bike, the busses have to have a frequency of at least 8 busses per hour to make the busses win the compatitive.
This is true as long as cars aren't in the picture, and the distances remain relatively small (<15 km).
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Old December 21st, 2014, 11:32 PM   #2513
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Schiedam Centrum used to be called Schiedam-Rotterdam West so that people on the boat train knew that it was the station for Rotterdam, and was renamed Schiedam Centrum when boat trains stopped.
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 12:30 AM   #2514
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The Passenger Transport Executive Group (PTEG) in the UK commissioned a Dutch consultancy to write a report on Dutch bus tendering a few years ago. There's a brief discussion on the relationship between bus and cycle use.

http://www.pteg.net/resources/types/...ng-netherlands

(Despite being called 'Passenger Transport Executives', they have very limited control of buses because buses in England (not London), Scotland and Wales (not Northern Ireland) are deregulated, which means that the bus companies decide the fares and timetables on nearly all routes. They've been lobbying for control of buses for years, hence why they commissioned this report.)
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Old December 24th, 2014, 11:40 AM   #2515
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They sell dagkaarten on board the Hoek van Holland to Harwich ferry for 17 euros. The same ones that they have at Eindhoven airport for 25 euros, valid until July 2016.
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Old December 24th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #2516
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I spotted this lone loco parked in Tilburg

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Old December 25th, 2014, 03:32 AM   #2517
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At Tilburg Universiteit, you mean.

That's one of the former NS class 1800 locomotives that is now owned and operated by Locon.
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Old December 26th, 2014, 02:35 PM   #2518
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Not sure if anybody mentioned it recently, but recently NS has more frequent services on a few lines and I was wondering how they were going to do that without new stock.
They took some trains out of scrap yards and now they are on routes like Amsterdam-Zandvoort and so on. It looks like a part of 4-unit EMU set (DD-AR?) but without the first/last part with the engine. Instead there is 1600 class pulling three remaining parts of the EMU. Also the colors are different. Inside the seats and the ceiling is green, outside it is lighter yellow with three light blue stripes.
Such trains can reach 120 or 140, but they make a characteristic noise when they reach the speed - this noise and the old-school interior makes you think the trains are from 1950/1960's.
Previously there were 4 unit EMU's, now effectively it is 3-unit EMU's. In the rush hours it is very crowded, there were cases that on stations like Halfweg-Zwanenburg people couldn't get in and had to wait for another train.
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The frequencies of this lines have only been upgraded on off-peak times. During peak times they already had half-hourly services, so that's not going to make a difference in required rolling stock.
Those trains 'from the scrap yards' you are referring to are DD-AR, but they have not been from the scrapyard at all. They have merely been out of service for about year while the majority of them were rebuild as DDZ. Now the remaining carriages are used for 18 new 3-car formations. These will be used until the FLIRTs will enter service in 2016. The reason they are 3-car and not 4-car is simply because there are not enough carriages left to make 4-car units, since DDZ has 6-car units as well.
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Schiedam Centrum used to be called Schiedam-Rotterdam West so that people on the boat train knew that it was the station for Rotterdam, and was renamed Schiedam Centrum when boat trains stopped.
It was renamed when they rebuilt the entire station and when they extended the subway line to Schiedam and beyond.
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