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Old March 6th, 2015, 09:20 PM   #2681
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In the Dutch section it was suspected that there was a train (class 1600) shunting, due to the low speeds of both trains the security overides failed, causing both trains to be on the same track. (ATB doesn't work below 40kph).
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Old March 6th, 2015, 09:55 PM   #2682
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ATB really needs to go away.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 10:28 PM   #2683
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Can anybody shed some light on this?:
When I look at the pictures it looks like the accident happened here. The passenger train drove from the southern most orange track onto the black track where unfortunately a freight train was parked, which unfortunately had a filled tankcar at the end.

I don't understand why a passenger train would use this track, because it only started slightly to the east just after the station and already ends slightly further to the west at Tilburg University. Anybody travelling this stretch that can confirm it is used by passenger trains?
I have travelled this route for four and a half years now and I can confirm, just like Suburbanist, that the third track (counted from the North) is used all the time by the sprinter-service between Weert and Tilburg University. This track is used in both directions. The fourth track is only rarely used by passenger trains, most of the time for a procedure called 'roestrijden'.

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Sometimes these trains are parked on the third track I think, I don't understand exactly why.
Well, the pictures show the collision occured just after the passenger train had switched from track 3 to track 4. Track 4 is ordinarily not used by passenger trains.

What might have happened, although is not more than a speculation, is that the train driver either missed a red signal or drove through a green signal, while the switch had been broken. The first case might seem most likely, since it is standard practice for the sprinter-service to Tilburg University to leave Tilburg Central Station on a yellow signal. With regard to a switch failure, you would expect the train driver to see that, since the speed limit on this particular track is no more than 40 km/h (it is secured by dwergseinen only).
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Old March 7th, 2015, 02:12 AM   #2684
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I am putting my money on a SPAD. The last signal passed by that Sprinter train is not protected by ATB-Vv and given the low speeds used on the approach towards Tilburg University (where this train uses a dead end track), ATB-EG would most likely not have been able to prevent the accident from occurring.

Given the time of day during which the accident happened, it might have been possible that the driver was blinded by the sun and hence did not observe the red aspect until it was too late.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:45 AM   #2685
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Brabant Dagblad, the largest news paper of the province of North-Brabant, has reported that the train driver of the passenger train from Friday's accident drove through a red signal. This is proven by an email sent by ProRail, the company that owns all Dutch rail infrastructure, to some Members of the Dutch Parliament. Eight passengers have suffered from minor injuries.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 09:57 AM   #2686
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What could have happened if it had been a freight train with brakes in the G setting instead of a passenger train with EP brakes?
The assessment by Prorail that the signal protecting this section didn't need ATB-VV was clearly flawed.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:38 PM   #2687
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Can you buy a RET one hour ticket (€3) from Den Haag CS for use on the metro line to Rotterdam?
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Old March 13th, 2015, 12:49 AM   #2688
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Can you buy a RET one hour ticket (€3) from Den Haag CS for use on the metro line to Rotterdam?
Yes, RET machine is situated at platform 12.
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Old March 18th, 2015, 09:26 PM   #2689
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Photo of new Barneveld Zuid station, opened on 2 February 2015. Taken from Wikipedia:

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Old March 18th, 2015, 10:33 PM   #2690
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Omroep Brabant has reported that the signal the train driver from past weeks' train crash drove through, will be replaced by a more advanced one. With the newer version, called ATB-vv, trains that drive through a red signal with under 40 km/h will also be stopped.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 12:09 AM   #2691
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Just switch to ERTMS already. ATB-vv is money wasted that could be spent on ERTMS right away.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 09:54 AM   #2692
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Though you're 100% right, you want improved safety now, not in a few years. ATB-VV can do that pretty much directly, ERTMS takes 'a bit longer'.

Even worse: ERTMS seems to remain a lot of talk and no actual action, because they keep on focussing on the difficult stuff, even though the solution is already there: Using GPRS instead of CSD on big station yards. They are hesitant because L2 on big yards hasn't been done before anywhere. One good decision was made though: first equip all rolling stock and after that the infrastructure, so you don't need dual signalling.
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Photo of new Barneveld Zuid station, opened on 2 February 2015. Taken from Wikipedia:

Wow. Let's make an architectural statement...just not sure what it is.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 09:31 AM   #2694
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The gateway arch to the platform, what else would it be
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The gateway arch to the platform, what else would it be
why? did it need one?
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Old March 20th, 2015, 11:10 AM   #2696
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What did you want them to do? Waste money on a proper roof?

No, no, random arches are the way to go.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 02:26 PM   #2697
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Old March 27th, 2015, 10:29 PM   #2698
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An electrical problem brought chaos to traffic to, from and around Amsterdam today.
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Old March 28th, 2015, 03:56 PM   #2699
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The designs of new Dutch stations are always interesting. Arnhem, Rotterdam, Den Haag, Dronten, Breda, Delft all look very nice.
True, though I think the main hall in Rotterdam is a bit out of proportions. When you enter it from the platforms the effect is definitely jaw-dropping, but then you go to town and you're like "meh".
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Old March 30th, 2015, 09:36 AM   #2700
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An electrical problem brought chaos to traffic to, from and around Amsterdam today.
To call a complete power grid failure with impact on 3 provinces 'an electrical problem' is a bit of an understatement.

What's bad though, is that after power had been restored NS was totally unable to restore any kind of service. They should have immediately dropped the illusion to restart running according to the time table and simply settle for if-it-can-run-run it.

That's the main problem NS faces today: As long as everything is running close to normal everything is controlled automatically by computers. Once it goes south and the computers give up, humans have to take over and several recent incidents prove they don't know how to do that any more.
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