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Old May 26th, 2015, 10:26 AM   #2741
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The overhead wire system limitation is really starting to be problem, which is why they are considering a change to either 3kVDC or 25kVAC. Unfortunately 3kV is the main candidate at the moment, not because it's better, only because it's cheaper*.
*cheaper in the short term, not in the long term, as a study showed.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:30 AM   #2742
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This is how the train indicator panel in Den Bosch looks like in daytime

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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #2743
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Two old rail travel vintage panels found in an Amsterdam restaurant


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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:33 AM   #2744
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(was referred to the panel in Den Bosch)

Are the arrows meant to indicate the direction of travel?
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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:34 AM   #2745
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And two pics of the V250, a train who could have changed the history of Dutch rail transport if everything had gone as planned :sad:


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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:35 AM   #2746
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And two pics of the V250, a train who could have changed the history of Dutch rail transport if everything had gone as planned :sad:


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Old May 27th, 2015, 09:50 AM   #2747
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The interior looks like that of a cheap 90's discotheque
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Old May 27th, 2015, 10:46 AM   #2748
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The level of comfort was more or less equal to that of the Sprinter fleet.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 11:55 AM   #2749
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A friend of mine rode one of them between Rotterdam and Antwerp. He said it was a bit like rolling down a hill in a tumble dryer: lots of noise, shaking and a general feeling of significant discomfort.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 12:23 PM   #2750
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*cheaper in the short term, not in the long term, as a study showed.
Conversion to 25kV is highly problematic. Large modifications are necessary for many lines, which includes many construction works lasting for at least a week each. Furthermore, the point to switch is very complex. Either the lines need to be converted in sequence, which requires many current change points, making the system very complex. Switching the entire network at once requires a total closure of the system for at least a week (and probably a month). This would a complete disaster.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 12:57 PM   #2751
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I don't know about disaster, it's all in the planning. Zeeland went without any train service for over a month a few years ago and it went alright.

If we announce today that in July 2016, there will be no trains for a month, people would plan around it. Maybe we could change the school vacations for that one year as well, make sure all the schools are closed from the last week of June. Give people the opportunity to go on holiday abroad.

That, of course, is a separate issue from whether 25kV is desirable.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 01:05 PM   #2752
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I don't know about disaster, it's all in the planning. Zeeland went without any train service for over a month a few years ago and it went alright.

If we announce today that in July 2016, there will be no trains for a month, people would plan around it. Maybe we could change the school vacations for that one year as well, make sure all the schools are closed from the last week of June. Give people the opportunity to go on holiday abroad.

That, of course, is a separate issue from whether 25kV is desirable.
Not to be preposterous, but the line to Middleburg is an end-line, parallel to a not-so-congested highway. This is very different than closing lines in the Randstad.

The positive thing is that most lines in the Randstad have viable detours to accommodate at least half the traffic, a bit more if they sacrifice Sprinter-only stations to keep major services live.

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where is the exact point on HSL-Zuid where the change happens in Hooffdorp, Rotterdam and Rotterdam Lombardijen?
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Old May 27th, 2015, 05:06 PM   #2753
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A friend of mine rode one of them between Rotterdam and Antwerp. He said it was a bit like rolling down a hill in a tumble dryer: lots of noise, shaking and a general feeling of significant discomfort.
I can confirm that. Especially in the "Groeneharttunnel" the train shook horribly.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 05:16 PM   #2754
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C'mon, it was not that bad. It was not as stable as a TGV, but it did the job in the few weeks it was in service before the snow incident.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 07:31 PM   #2755
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I do think it was bad. Of course, it was well within the limits of what one assume to be safe, but comfortable? No, not at all. The train shook and vibrated way too much for a train that was built in the 21st century!
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Old May 28th, 2015, 09:47 PM   #2756
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Funding approved for Utrecht - Leidsche Rijn line
Thursday, May 28, 2015



DUTCH secretary of state for infrastructure Mrs Wilma Mansveld announced on May 27 that the Dutch government will allocate €88m towards the construction of a new line from Utrecht Central to Leidsche Rijn, a major new housing development west of the city

Once complete, Netherlnds Railways (NS) Sprinter services from The Hague and Rottderam to Gouda and Utrecht will be extended to Leidsche Rijn. Frequencies on the route will be increased from four to six trains per hour

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Old May 28th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #2757
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Uh, there already is a line to Leidsche Rijn. The €88m will go toward doublinging of the tracks, including a new bridge across a major canal.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 10:33 PM   #2758
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It took me a good minute to understand what the heck they're talking about those Sprinters supposed to be extended to Leidsche Rijn past Utrecht

The matter is the doubling of the Woerden - Utrecht line between Utrecht Leidsche Rijn and Utrecht Centraal. This 1,5 km gap was the last part left with two tracks, probably because of the Leidsche Rijn canal crossing.

Utrecht Leidsche Rijn is a local stop between Utrecht Centraal and Den Haag, already served by the Sprinters Woerden - Utrecht (and skipped by the Sprinters Den Haag - Utrecht). So at the moment the frequency is 2 tph.
I guess the Woerden - Utrecht service will be doubled, and the all Sprinters will have to stop there.

Question: when will all these services be connected with the Sprinters towards Geldermalsen, to create the suburban service of Utrecht?
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Old June 5th, 2015, 06:01 PM   #2759
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No, June (just checked, June 1st) is the date for just that fly-over. The completion for the quad-tracking to Amsterdam Zuid will take at least until 2016.
indeed, I just saw the IC-B using the new fly over. Now they continue with quad-tracking to Amsterdam Zuid and further to the Y at Amsterdam Bijlmer Arena / Duivendrecht.
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Old June 8th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #2760
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Now that the dust around the Abellio fraud has settled, Arriva has presented what they will offer in the province of Limburg. When compared to the Abellio offer, Arriva seems to focus more on trains and less on buses. Arriva intends to offer 4 trains an hour between Nijmegen and Venray, through-services between Maastricht and Nijmegen and an international service Ličge - Maastricht - Heerlen - Aachen. The intent is to run this service twice an hour.

The trains will look like this:


The core network will be as follows:


And Treinreiziger.nl has posted much more details.
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