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Old June 9th, 2015, 12:22 AM   #2761
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Will they order a tri-current train to operate in Belgium, Netherlands and Germany, or use a 3kV DC/15 kv AC 16.7Hz dual engine, operating under-powered between Eijsden and LAndgraaf?

What about projects to turn that old touristic railways into a light-rail?

What about the Maastricht-Hasselt tram-train project?
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Old June 9th, 2015, 12:34 AM   #2762
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A part of the order with Stadler will be for tri-current FLIRTs.

The Maastricht - Hasselt tram is complicated: to reach the city centre of Maastricht a bridge needs to be replaced, which was unforeseen. Terminating at Maastricht station instead (which removes the need of crossing the bridge) is seen as undesirable by the politicians, but the cost increase is also unwanted. So it's not yet sure what will happen.
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Old June 9th, 2015, 12:45 AM   #2763
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I don't get it: the city center is on the correct side of the river, which must be crossed to reach the station.
Or maybe they mean to reach the station first with the old railway bridge, and then cross again to reach the city?
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Old June 9th, 2015, 11:19 AM   #2764
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The original plan called for terminating at the railway station, allowing passengers to transfer to the trains. But the bridge leading to the railway station isn't currently suitable for a tramway and upgrading it would be expensive.

The idea now is to terminate the tram at either Boschstraatkwartier or Mosae Forum, which are roughly near the dot marked "Maasboulevard/centrum" on this map:

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Old June 11th, 2015, 10:42 PM   #2765
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Old June 16th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #2766
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It's official.
The 1304 and 1315 will be reinstated in active service.


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Old June 17th, 2015, 09:05 AM   #2767
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These things were constructed in 1952 and will be the only 2 of this locomotive family still in service. Parts availability will be an issue.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 10:05 AM   #2768
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Have all the others been scrapped already ? Otherwise the ones still subsisting can be a
good source for parts. There were similar locs in France but I think those have all been
scrapped already, except some preserved ones.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 11:32 AM   #2769
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Four 1300s (out of sixteen constructed) have been preserved. Two belong to the Dutch railway museum, the other two are the ones going back into service.
I doubt the railway museum will agree to scavenge their collection.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #2770
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NS has ordered an additional 18 Traxx locomotives, as the project to have existing ICR DVT coaches working with the Traxx locomotives has been unsuccessful. These additional locomotives will be added to the existing rakes, they will work services in multiple operation.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 11:58 PM   #2771
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NS has ordered an additional 18 Traxx locomotives, as the project to have existing ICR DVT coaches working with the Traxx locomotives has been unsuccessful. These additional locomotives will be added to the existing rakes, they will work services in multiple operation.
Any clue why DVT coaches don't work with the Traxx locomotives?
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Old June 19th, 2015, 12:05 AM   #2772
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Any clue why DVT coaches don't work with the Traxx locomotives?
There has been no official communication about the cancellation of the DVT conversion project, the rumours that I have heard are that it was too much of an engineering challenge to get the DVT car to reliably control the Traxx loco.
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Old June 19th, 2015, 09:44 AM   #2773
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Those DVTs were initially developped to control locos using parallel wiring, i.e.
a separate wire for each command. Today, this technology is obsolete,
modern locos are remote-controlled using time-division multiplexing
technology, and the signal passes over the standard UIC cable that is
present on every RIC coach. To convert a DVT from parallel to MUX operation
basically means to rewire the whole driving post. Not impossible (*), but may
be too expensive, considering the expected remaining life of those cars.

(*) SNCB is currently doing the same with 50 M4 ADx coaches that were
initially built to remote-operate HLE 11/12/21/27 locos over parallel wiring.
HLE 11/12/21 have been or will soon be discontinued, but HLE 27 have all
been converted to MUX and those 50 cars will follow. So no, not impossible...
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Old June 21st, 2015, 08:59 PM   #2774
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Today, this technology is obsolete,
modern locos are remote-controlled using time-division multiplexing
technology, and the signal passes over the standard UIC cable that is
present on every RIC coach. To convert a DVT from parallel to MUX operation
basically means to rewire the whole driving post.
The existing ICRm BDs carriages (the DVT we're talking about here) were equipped with driving desks resembling and only compatible with NS class 1700 locomotives. Thus they had to completely remove that driving desk and fit one that is more like the standardised EU drivers desk. Also they had to fit an EVC, because the HSL uses ERTMS. In fact I'm not even sure they used former class 1700 compatible carriages. They may have rebuilt BD carriages for this.

As you can see a very complex job. As I already stated in the Dutch thread, I do not understand why they left this job to Nedtrain (the former train maintenance department of NS) instead of Bombardier. Whereas Bombardier is both the constructor of the TRAXX locomotive and successor of the original ICR carriage constructor Talbot, Nedtrain has no prior experience in retrofitting both modern MUX driving desk and ERTMS to existing equipment. The only similar job Nedtrain had done before was constructing the afore mentioned class 1700 compatible DVTs. That was easy, because they could copy the exact same technology already used in the DDAR DVTs.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #2775
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To make everything a bit more clear.
This is the plan for 2016.
Is this still the plan?
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Old July 14th, 2015, 10:34 PM   #2776
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Yes.
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London included?
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Old July 15th, 2015, 01:50 AM   #2778
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Yes, but this depends on the availability and homologation of the Eurostar e320 sets.
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And what about the UK border control issues? Are they finally giving up?
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Have you seen the recent immigant problem at Calais? Of course not.
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