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Old July 20th, 2015, 12:56 PM   #2801
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Eurostar tickets are on sale for any Dutch station to London from 59 euro (one way). I've seen returns for 99 or 119. Not a bad deal, but you have to book on time.

Nowadays Eurostar have a really long booking horizon, you can buy tickets up to 6 months in advance (if not more), so odds are that the cheap tickets have already sold out.
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Old July 20th, 2015, 10:16 PM   #2802
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The usual theory is that the train is competitive with air when the train journey time is up to 3 hours. It is just over 2 hours from London to Brussels and about 70 minutes on Thalys from Brussels to Rotterdam, so Eurostar hopefully will be about 3 and a quarter hours from London to Rotterdam. But you have to add 30 minutes check-in from London and one hour for the security nonsense in Lille/Brussels to London. So air will still undoubtedly dominate. But some people don't mind taking a 4 hour train when there is a flight alternative. London to Edinburgh is a popular train route, for example, and trains have a good share of the market.

Is every hour enough for the high speed service from Brussels to Amsterdam? Would every 30 minutes be viable?
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Old July 20th, 2015, 10:44 PM   #2803
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The 30 minute check-in is not necessary if you make everyone leave the train in Brussels or Lille. You can just show up and go for the Eurostar leaving from Marseille, it's not until Lille that you have to go through security.

I don't think a 30 minute HST from Amsterdam to Brussels will be viable, at least not if you market it like a real high speed train. With Fyra, the plan was to have 32 HSTs running between Amsterdam and Brussels each day, which never came to fruition because it was deemed uneconomical.

Perhaps there would be a market for 16 HST + 16 IC like (but faster than the Beneluxtrein) services a day as this would distribute the passenger load somewhat better. Long distance passengers would take the HST to places such as Paris, London, Lille, and maybe some services could even be extended to say... Lyon? Pax between Belgium and NL would then more opt for the intercity.

But we won't know, not unless a company with balls of steel stands up and tries to run those services. It has been done in Sweden (MTR Express), in the Czech Republic (RegioJet and LEO Express) and in the UK (Grand Central, First Hull Trains, Wrexham & Shropshire, and so on.).
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Old July 21st, 2015, 08:33 AM   #2804
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We will never know because you aren't allowed to compete with NS on lines that also belong to the main rail network.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 12:17 PM   #2805
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Except if the traffic is international and that is the primary market/source of income. It's not allowed to run a train from Essen to Amsterdam if you only carry Dutch passengers between Roosendaal and Amsterdam, but you can take along some people from Schiphol to Rotterdam if your train continues to Brussels.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 12:47 PM   #2806
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With Fyra, the plan was to have 32 HSTs running between Amsterdam and Brussels each day, which never came to fruition because it was deemed uneconomical.
Hum no.
Fyra failed because the trains sucked not because there is no economic potential.
Hopefully it will be relaunched with different trains (TGV, ICE?) even though now, yes, with all the additional costs (HSL cost much more than anticipated + Fyra debacle), it will be very difficult to earn any money from this project.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 02:05 PM   #2807
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The Fyra trains sucked, but there were doubts about economic potential as well. SNCB never believed that 32 HSTs/day between Amsterdam and Brussels could be profitable, which is why the amount of Thalys trains was limited to 10 and Eurostar was not in sight.

It was not until after the collapse of Fyra that the amount of HSTs was stepped up, since there would not be a competitor anymore.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 02:48 PM   #2808
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Except if the traffic is international and that is the primary market/source of income.
Domestic open access operators are not allowed in the Netherlands. And international operators have to deliberately discourage domestic travel with their train, because they can be denied track access if they draw away to many domestic passengers. Otherwise an open access operator would have already stepped in with extra services to Belgium and Germany which also 'accidentally' carry a lot of domestic passengers.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 12:30 PM   #2809
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Meinfernbus/Flixbus now run about every 2 hours between Brussels and Amsterdam. Megabus, iDBUS and Eurolines run about 5 times a day each direct and Eurolines also run a number of slower services. It must be one of the most frequent and competitive international express bus services in Europe.
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Old August 8th, 2015, 01:27 PM   #2811
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Well, they earned a solid 10-seconds on their surely useful trip.

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Old August 9th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #2812
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Well, they earned a solid 10-seconds on their surely useful trip.

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Too bad they didn't get run over
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Old August 17th, 2015, 01:12 PM   #2813
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1251 at Amsterdam Centraal:


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Old August 17th, 2015, 02:46 PM   #2814
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Old August 17th, 2015, 05:10 PM   #2815
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Yes this is at Haarlem Spaarnwoude.


Interesting that you call this "Landschaft". If you ride the Netherlands by train or by car on the highways it does look like this is a typical Dutch landscape. We really haven't made our transit landscapes worth looking at. To really see beautiful landscapes you have to get out of the car or train and ride a bicycle into the rural areas as far away as possible from the main traffic corridors.
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Old August 17th, 2015, 06:04 PM   #2816
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Landschaft? Why are we talking German in an English thread about The Netherlands?
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Old August 18th, 2015, 11:42 AM   #2817
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Old August 26th, 2015, 05:58 PM   #2818
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From Railway Gazette:

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First train arrives at Rotterdam World Gateway
26 Aug 2015



NETHERLANDS: The first commercial freight train arrived at the Rotterdam World Gateway container storage and transhipment terminal on August 25.

RWG said this was a milestone in start-up of ‘the most advanced and most automated container terminal in the world’, which opened in October 2014 and began 24/7 operation in May.

Containers can now be delivered to or collected from RWG by rail, road and barge. The rail terminal has two rail cranes and six 750 m tracks where containers can be handled independently of the loading and discharging of deep sea ships

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Yes this is at Haarlem Spaarnwoude.


Interesting that you call this "Landschaft". If you ride the Netherlands by train or by car on the highways it does look like this is a typical Dutch landscape. We really haven't made our transit landscapes worth looking at. To really see beautiful landscapes you have to get out of the car or train and ride a bicycle into the rural areas as far away as possible from the main traffic corridors.
Actually, Lelystad - Almere is quite a pleasurable experience. But I guess his post was rather sarcastic?
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