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Old October 9th, 2015, 05:12 PM   #3001
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A fair point if any profit made is reinvested in the system, but I think you will find, as in any company when profit is the goal (which it must be in a private business, otherwise nobody would invest) that the focus on profit will come at the expense of service.
I think we are all agreed here that like all other vital infrastructure, it is impossible to accurately calculate the value the rail system adds to the economy. Therefore the railway should focus on trying to move as many people as efficiently as possibe. If they can turn a profit doing that, fair enough but their business model should not be built around it.
Now If a private company wants to build their own network then as far as I'm concerned they are free to try and make all the profit they want.
The problem is not profit oriented approach. The problem is monopolization.

Profit is a strong incentive for increasing quality and keeping up to a standard. Competition is even stronger incentive.

Monopolization leads to situation of easy profits, without quality.

On the other side, networks, as railway of course is, have economies that lead to monopolization as there are huge fixed costs, network effects, etc.

Luckily, there doesn't have to be only competition of railway companies, but also competition of railway with other means of transport.
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Old October 9th, 2015, 05:49 PM   #3002
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Can we talk about Dutch Railways? I Believe the economic side of Railways has a seperate topic now!!
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Old October 9th, 2015, 06:44 PM   #3003
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Sad but necessary.
I have used the train system a bit, and I remember just twice having witnesses something that would be a "confrontation". Once when I was catching a night train to Schiphol, a group of staffers were dealing with a couple drunk and provocative teenagers, and another when a guy was yelling and cursing a conductor as they were arguing about their student card being not valid at that week. It's been a while since I last caught night trains, I'm not sure whether they still block the entrances of stations and only let passengers that check in go through to the platforms.

I once saw a scene where police arrived once in the subway/metro in Amsterdam though. Fare-dodgers it appears (I was on the opposite platform witnessing the staff block the escalators and the police arrive. No idea what the fuss was about.
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Old October 10th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #3004
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Old October 10th, 2015, 11:24 PM   #3005
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Baby changing table.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 02:39 AM   #3006
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I know their time is up, and they don't meet today's standards anymore. But it's still a shame. When I was a kid in the '80s and '90s, the Mat '64 was the train. We all knew what a train was supposed to look like, and they looked like the Mat '64.
Well, I'm happy I tried them a couple of times last year

So long!




So, the oldest trains around in NL will be...? ICM and IC coaches?
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Old October 11th, 2015, 12:49 PM   #3007
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The first generation of Sprinters (SGM, now SGMm). The first one was delivered in 1975.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 05:03 PM   #3008
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Interesting detail:
The last delivered mat'64 (plan V13 number 965) was taken into service in december 1976.
The complete prototype series SGM-0 was taken into service between april 1975 and august 1976.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 05:22 PM   #3009
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The oldest active might be the NS 1200/1300 loco's who are still active, I believe one was re-activated not to long a go. And I do mean active service, not heritage trains.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 11:44 PM   #3010
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Baby changing table.
It's an EU requirement. If a newly built (or refurbished) train has toilets, at least one of them must be wheelchair accessible and must also have baby changing facilities in the same room.
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Old October 12th, 2015, 12:21 AM   #3011
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Baby changing table.
If you don't like your own anymore you can go in and change to another one
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Old October 12th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #3012
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To be precise, the baby changing table requirement is defined in the TSI People with Reduced Mobility and is specified as follows:

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4.2.2.5. Toilets
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(4) When toilets are fitted in a train a baby nappy changing facility shall be provided. If separate nursery facilities are not provided or if separate nursery facilities are provided but are not accessible to a wheelchair user, a table shall be incorporated within the universal toilets. It shall be compliant with the requirements of point 5.3.2.5.

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5.3.2.5. Baby nappy changing table
(1) The usable surface of the baby nappy changing table shall be a minimum of 500 mm wide and 700 mm long.
(2) It shall be designed to prevent a baby from inadvertently sliding off, shall have no sharp edges and shall be able to take a minimum load of 80 kg.
(3) It shall be possible to put it into the stowed position with only one hand, using a force not exceeding 25 N.
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Old October 12th, 2015, 11:10 AM   #3013
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>>> shall be able to take a minimum load of 80 kg

Strong baby, isn't it ?
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Old October 13th, 2015, 12:34 PM   #3014
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>>> shall be able to take a minimum load of 80 kg

Strong baby, isn't it ?
Or has an adult leaning on it, plus bags and changing equipment (and baby of course). What if the train rocks and the adult falls against the changing table? The sudden impact may wrench the table from the wall in such a case unless it is able to bear a substantial load.

Just a thought. Might be wrong.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 08:32 PM   #3015
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Old November 18th, 2015, 11:17 PM   #3016
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A technical question on infrastructure.

In this frame I took from a video at Riekerpolder there are two extra rails in the middle of the track.



Now, in a local forum there was quite a quarrel about their function.

Theory 1: they are placed where the track lies over two different grounds (land/bridge), to give more vertical rigidity.

Theory 2: they keep derailed axles within the track.

Theory 3: there is a dilation joint there, with the main rails cut longitudinally and free to slide, and the extra rails are there to hold everything in place.


I'll stick with the first. Who's right?
I also noticed that in recent works ProRail is using this setup, with the bridge deck filled with ballast.
It appears the rails fastenings are no more encased in the poured concrete (a setup that DB Netz and RFI are abandoning, it seems), while it was very common in many Dutch viaducts of the 80s/90s.

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Old November 18th, 2015, 11:28 PM   #3017
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Believe it or not, it's the second. The idea is that the tunnel underneath it is protected when a derailing train runs over it.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 01:57 AM   #3018
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I know the type of extra rails you are referring to, but the ones in the photo do not seem like those types of rails.

The anti-derailing rails generally start and end in a point, and cover a far longer stretch.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 02:00 AM   #3019
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They can, but it's not necessary. If the bridge is really short this suffices.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 02:12 AM   #3020
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