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Old November 23rd, 2015, 06:19 PM   #3041
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 07:16 PM   #3042
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None of the major recent stations projects, except Breda, had office or hotel or other third-use major building attached to the station itself, over tracks, had it?

Utrecht, Den Haag and some others did have whole integrated commercial structures.

Is there a reason for the station developers to have abandoned the strategy?
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 07:30 PM   #3043
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It comes down to a matter of preference and available space. In Breda, there was plenty of space while the immediate vicinity of the station was lacking on some features (such as office space, or homes) so they integrated all that into one building.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 02:20 AM   #3044
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Inside Den Haag CS will they ever complete the cladding on the border of the elevated tram deck? I never understood if it was left open intentionally for the works or if they consider it complete (to me, it's not).

I understand they must leave the empty sectors for rail overhead wires, but the border should have a continuous surface on all its lenght!



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Not true. You would need a much longer viaduct to be able to cross all of the tracks. Also the design would have to be altered, since the bus platform is off-center compared to the station shed. But I don't really see the point of moving it anyway, considering the time gain is minimal.
Well, I wouldn't call it minimal.
Map in hand, if I reach the station from Turfmarkt (which today is its main access) I have to walk a good 250 m before reaching the tail of the train,
which is not exactly a short distance for an interchange, and crossing the path of anyone in the station.

The new terminal adds 50 meters to that, plus 2 floors of stairs/escalators, that's not really a practical interchange IMHO.

We are into the hypotheses now, but this is why I would have shifted it to the west side.
Another reason is to obtain a very compact OV interchange (metro+tram high+tram low+bus) facing the city,
in a corner not bothering the path of rail passengers.

About the building costs, for the current viaduct I calculate a lenght of approx. 330 m.
Keeping the same starting point (when the new embankment ends), then taking a bend to cross over the rail tracks,
and then terminating over the bike shed, it is just 30 meters longer (I believed more!).
All the pillars fall into the platforms area, so it's not hard to make room for them.

Just a stub:
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Old November 24th, 2015, 11:56 AM   #3045
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Inside Den Haag CS will they ever complete the cladding on the border of the elevated tram deck? I never understood if it was left open intentionally for the works or if they consider it complete (to me, it's not).

I understand they must leave the empty sectors for rail overhead wires, but the border should have a continuous surface on all its lenght!
It's finished. The idea of it is that they only cover the sections over the platforms; not the sections over the rails. It's a design feature.

Not the most graceful solution perhaps, but it's the least of this station's problems.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 10:48 PM   #3046
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They would lose quite a lot of light if they covered it.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 05:35 AM   #3047
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A quick and -very- dirty edit (I'm a total noob at photoediting):



I don't think light is a big deal there. Most of daylight comes from the southern facade and that side would remain open (overhead wires), and there are many point of lights under the tram deck, switched on during the day as well.
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Old November 27th, 2015, 12:24 PM   #3048
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I don't like it, sorry. It's too bulky.
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 08:07 PM   #3049
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Since when was inter-city bus travel allowed in the Netherlands? Flixbus/Meinfernbus have started a network of domestic services within the Netherlands. Until now, only international services and services to airports were allowed.

Routes include:

Rotterdam - 's-Hertogenbosch
Rotterdam - Nijmegen
Groningen - Haren - Hengelo - Enschede
Enschede - Hengelo - Eindhoven
Groningen - Haren - Apeldoorn - Eindhoven
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 09:29 PM   #3050
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It's only allowed on stretches where it isn't "directly competing" with train routes.
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 10:26 PM   #3051
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It's only allowed on stretches where it isn't "directly competing" with train routes.
I presume you mean where the train requires a change? Compared to other countries, in the Netherlands connections are planned carefully and it is assumed you will make connections to make a journey.

Are buses allowed to run between Amsterdam city centre and Groningen or Leeuwarden? There are no direct trains from Amsterdam Centraal to Groningen/Leeuwarden for most of the day, although there are from Amsterdam Zuid.

Also, could this force NS to create regular direct connections on routes that don't currently have them, so that buses are "banned", even if it ruins the integrity of the timetable?
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 11:41 PM   #3052
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Today the first Flirt-3 arrived in the Netherlands.
This particular train will only be used for Alphen - Gouda, it will also be the only type to date to use the RNET livery instead of the NS or Albelio livery.





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Old December 3rd, 2015, 11:48 PM   #3053
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It's only allowed on stretches where it isn't "directly competing" with train routes.
That has got nothing to do with it, actually.

Under Dutch law, public transport can only be operated if a concession has been granted for this. On the main railway network (Hoofdrailnet) this concession has been given to NS. The various provinces have in turn given concession for non-rail transport in their areas.

The concessionaire has a monopoly on providing public transport in the area - a different company is not allowed to set up a competing service. Dutch law does allow an exception to be made if a request comes in, and this is what Flixbus has done for the various routes.

As the new intercity bus routes do not compete against a single concession, the provinces agreed to provide this exception. After all, it is not costing them a single penny but it does enhance the public transport offering.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 10:55 AM   #3054
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I love those Stadtler trains with the RNET livery. On what other Randstad routes might we expect to see RNET trains do you think?

If you'd asked me ten years ago, I would have said The Hague - Zoetermeer and Rotterdam - Hoek van Holland but both those lines are obviously out of contention now.
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They will go to Gouda - Alphen a/d Rijn.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 06:27 PM   #3056
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After years of construction the new station building for Arnhem opened a couple of weeks ago. At the opening the station was rebranded from just Arnhem to Arnhem Centraal. Making it the 6th Central station in the Netherlands, and the 1st outside of the Randstad area in western Netherlands.

The new station was designed by Ben van Berkel from UNStudio.

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Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. One of the best works I've seen on a modern station, if not the best.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 09:08 PM   #3058
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Nice station, my only complain is that the platform canopies could extend some more on each side.

Let's now wait for the final results in Breda, which I'd thought would be fully completed before Arnhem.
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Tilburg station

Renovation works keep advancing in Tilburg


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The main concourse will also be an important pedestrian link between both sides of the city, the north side used to have a huge depot and workshop for ProRail, they demolished it and will build houses. I'm not a big fan of station concourses doubling as regular pedestrian routes.

Still, a massive improve over the previous situation with tight spaces and just 2 escalators and 2 tight stairs.
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This picture shows a few things that in my opionion are horribly wrong with the OV Chipcard: You have to make sure you enter/exit through the correct gates, there are some extra poles who's purpose is not exactly clear. Big fail in my opinion.
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