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Old December 12th, 2015, 05:32 PM   #3061
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New Arnhem station looks impressive, oddly enough it doesn't feel and look like a station, more along the lines of a museum for contemporary arts. Still would definitely like to visit and see it in person.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 06:23 PM   #3062
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If you would look more than 2 seconds you would see the Arriva (red) gates aren't active yet, so they put up some temporary totems. If you can figure out which train you have to take, you can also figure out which gate you have to take. They could have made the logos a bit bigger but the situation looks fine to me.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #3063
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If you can figure out which train you have to take, you can also figure out which gate you have to take.
I'm going to Arnhem Velperpoort and intend to just jump on the next train going that way. So which gate do I take?
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Old December 12th, 2015, 06:55 PM   #3064
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Just buy a car and bugger off already.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 07:44 PM   #3065
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You check the screens for the next train to Arnhem Velperpoort. There you see if it's an "Arriva Stoptrein" or "NS Sprinter". Then you go to the right gate.

That wasn't so hard now was it.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 12:29 AM   #3066
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What happens when I'm changing train? do Ihave to exit one gate and enter another?
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Old December 13th, 2015, 01:34 AM   #3067
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The new station was designed by Ben van Berkel from UNStudio.
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Amazing!
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Old December 13th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #3068
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The present system is completely ridiculous. If these railway companies really can't strike a few smart deals on how to distribute the fees on combined routes and as a result persist in requiring passengers to chip in and out whenever they change company, they should make it possible to do so on the vehicle itself. Similar to the system used on just about any bus and tram.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 02:47 AM   #3069
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What happens when I'm changing train? do Ihave to exit one gate and enter another?
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But the different commuter subscriptions and gates-per-company are being worked on though.

@Jules; that would be a nightmare. Imagine a full, or even half of the people on a train having to get off and tap a card reader. Would take even longer than it does now in busy stations.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 06:13 AM   #3070
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I was in Netherlands a week ago and also used the train system. Sure, it's possible to learn it, but it is overcomplicated. I had a feeling the technology has been introduced just for technology's sake not because it makes it better for passengers.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 11:31 AM   #3071
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I was in Netherlands a week ago and also used the train system. Sure, it's possible to learn it, but it is overcomplicated. I had a feeling the technology has been introduced just for technology's sake not because it makes it better for passengers.
This technology has been introduced so each transport company obtains the exact fare per travelled kilometer. It has not been introduced to be consumer friendly.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 11:59 AM   #3072
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I read the major beneficiaries of OV-Chipkaart were GVB and RET, which, under previous estimation schemes, were allocated substantially lower portion of metropolitan fares in their areas than the actual usage, to the point this extra money has been key in preserving these agencies from cuts that had been proposed in 2010.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 12:05 PM   #3073
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You check the screens for the next train to Arnhem Velperpoort. There you see if it's an "Arriva Stoptrein" or "NS Sprinter". Then you go to the right gate.
And then I'm at the platform, having checked in at an Arriva gate, and notice that the Arriva train is late, and the next one is a NS train...

In fact, what is actually happening at Arnhem right now is that people will the Arriva gates, even when taking an NS sprinter, because the Arriva train is cheaper...
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Old December 13th, 2015, 12:08 PM   #3074
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I read the major beneficiaries of OV-Chipkaart were GVB and RET, which, under previous estimation schemes, were allocated substantially lower portion of metropolitan fares in their areas than the actual usage, to the point this extra money has been key in preserving these agencies from cuts that had been proposed in 2010.
So they didn't have good useage statistics before. They could have fixed that without having to introduce an expensive system.

The should have aimed from the outset for a system where you only need to CI at the beginning, and CO at the end, and don't need to worry about which company you are travelling on.

The system as it is now is confusing, and is prone to be abused by those who actually know how it works...
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Old December 13th, 2015, 12:14 PM   #3075
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No, for that there is this:
And what if you only have 1 minute to make your transfer, and lots of people all want to do the same?

It should not be needed to do this. If the check in time at the starting station is known, and the check out time at the final station the system should be able to deduce which trains you travelled on.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 12:42 PM   #3076
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@Jules; that would be a nightmare. Imagine a full, or even half of the people on a train having to get off and tap a card reader. Would take even longer than it does now in busy stations.

Of course. Using present technology, the only decent solution would be a single 'check in' and 'check out' per trip. But it's also possible to devise a system where you wouldn't need to explicitly hold your card against a surface to check in or out. Entering or exiting a vehicle with a chip card would be sufficient to register.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 02:07 PM   #3077
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They should have equipped all trains with sensors counting the number of boarding and alighting passengers. That way they could have determined the exact amount of passenger kilometres travelled and you do not need complicated transfer procedures.
Also in retrospect they found out people that travel on tickets bought online or abroad don't have chip cards, so they had to modify the gates to accept those tickets. Thus there was no reason to abolish paper tickets at all, yet the still did.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 06:14 PM   #3078
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Its so sad but so true, that they forgot about all the international passengers. Shame on DB amd SNCB for not complying with the chipcard.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 07:35 PM   #3079
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Its so sad but so true, that they forgot about all the international passengers. Shame on DB amd SNCB for not complying with the chipcard.
You can use etickets to check in and out, no problems.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 11:20 PM   #3080
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Yes, but as an afterthought.
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