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Old December 14th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #3081
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Leave it to an internet forum to overdramatize everything.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 02:05 AM   #3082
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Call it an overdramatization, but it is the truth.

When the first ticket gates were delivered to NS, none of them had a scanner for QR-codes. The gates would only open if presented with an OV-chipkaart, something which is not the case for international tickets. It was not until a few years later that they started to implement the QR code readers. On international stations all gates will be equipped with these scanners, on other stations just a few.

To make things even more funny: even gates that are delivered today are fitted with the plain-and-simple RFID reader, the QR code scanners are retrofitted onto them once the gates have been installed. Talk about a waste of money...
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Old January 13th, 2016, 05:09 PM   #3083
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A train driver's view: Hoorn - Hoofddorp, SLT, 31-Dec-2015.

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Old January 13th, 2016, 10:43 PM   #3084
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For the people interested in what a Dutch driver actually sees and does there is also the Real Train Driver's View channel, of which this clip is an example:
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Old January 13th, 2016, 11:11 PM   #3085
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I get daily updates from all these channels

Real Train Driver's View Dutch Railways

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Cabview Holland, with its related channels:
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If you have any other... it's one of the most interesting networks in Europe today. Its only defect is that traffic tends to be very repetitive (little or no freight traffic north of Rotterdam).

The latest parallel runs compilation from Trains in Holland (God bless 4 tracks railways):
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #3086
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I was in NL yesterday and I had my ticket checked by Ipsos doing a survey. They just scanned people's OV-Chipkaarten. What's the point of that? What information will they get that isn't available by analysing check in/check out data, or from scanning done by conductors?

Also, what's with pianos at rail stations?
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:32 AM   #3087
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I always refuse to let them check mine, I fail to see how a system that records every single journey everybody makes requires an extra layer of nosiness. Frequently a ticket checker arrives a few minutes later



For people to play

In central station there frequently is somebody who can actually play piano using it, although I can imagine the standard slips later at night.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 10:52 AM   #3088
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The OV chipkaart data gives information about how many people travel on a given route, but not about how many people travel on a specific train. For example, as part of my commute I go from Den Haag HS to Breda. Sometimes I take the direct intercity, but there are plenty of times where I take a train to Rotterdam and change onto the Intercity direct there.

If I arrive at Den Haag HS at x:32, the first trains bound for Rotterdam are the x:34 IC and sprinter trains. I could take both of them and change in Rotterdam, still arriving in Breda at the same time. The OV-chipkaart data alone is not fine-grained enough to be able to determine which train I used to get from Den Haag to Rotterdam.

There is even a 3rd option, which is what I usually do: the x:43 Beneluxtrein. This train provides a cross-platform connection in Rotterdam, and remains in the station long enough so that I can (usually) remain seated until the ICd arrives.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 11:02 AM   #3089
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The OV chipkaart data gives information about how many people travel on a given route, but not about how many people travel on a specific train.
But don't you get that information from when the conductor scans your card?
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Old January 14th, 2016, 11:03 AM   #3090
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Alex, shut up! NS will hear you and create an extra fee for usage of seats on trains waiting for departure...

OT: it's one year now since I got back home. I left NL with contrasted sentiments, but now I miss the place a lot...
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Old January 14th, 2016, 11:50 AM   #3091
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I feel that way about Italy. I like how you and I balance each other out in the greater scheme of things.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 01:27 PM   #3092
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But don't you get that information from when the conductor scans your card?
The emphasis is on the when. From personal experience I can tell you that that doesn't happen often enough to provide usable statistics.

I think every train should be fitted with sensors to count the number of boarding and alighting passengers. As far as I know the Swiss have already done so.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 03:06 AM   #3093
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Ticket checkers appear far more frequently than surveyors, so I fail to see how they have a better sampling rate.
As somebody who works with Data, I can tell you there is such a thing as too much data and overanalysis. We never record at anything approaching our potential sampling rate, besides slowing down processing, it requires so much filtering that we are left with the same accuracy anyway.

It should be enough for NS to know that x number of people traelled from a to b at time t. Should they need to know more I'm certain there are any number of alogrithims they could run to adequetely predict peoples behaviour when there are options available or a simple loadmeter in the suspension of each train should give an reasonable idea of the passenger loads.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 11:39 AM   #3094
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I traveld in the Netherlands by train. Very good quality with logical prices. Also clean and functional stations. But I love especially Amsterdam central.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 06:42 PM   #3095
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It should be enough for NS to know that x number of people traelled from a to b at time t.
This is the exact reason we're stuck with the OV-chipkaart, because that wasn't enough and they also wanted to know exactly who travelled from a to b at time t. (With an anonymous card they may not exactly know the persons name, but they can still analyse his or hers travel habits)
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Old January 18th, 2016, 07:40 PM   #3096
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This is the exact reason we're stuck with the OV-chipkaart, because that wasn't enough and they also wanted to know exactly who travelled from a to b at time t. (With an anonymous card they may not exactly know the persons name, but they can still analyse his or hers travel habits)
But not only for capacity reasons, but also revenue sharing. If I read it right, GVB and RET, particularly, were bitter that the revenue-sharing models gave them the short stick, in favor of other operators, NS, medium-distance bus companies.

And right they were: the got a lot more money once real-travel data came in. It is not that the bus concessions got it that bad either, given the nature of their contracts: local metropolitan fares were raised instead (the €/km fare) to make up for lost revenue.

If not for this secondary effect of OV-chipkaart adoption, we'd have seen noticeable non-minor service cuts on RET, HTM and GVB services, including halving the frequency of certain tram lines outside peak hours... something taht would significantly impact the quality of public transportation in these areas.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 08:57 AM   #3098
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Fortunately they came to their senses, so there are driver cabin doors on this one (which the R-Net FLIRT lacks).
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NS shortlists four bidders for intercity EMU contract
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NETHERLANDS Railways (NS) confirmed on January 19 that four suppliers have been shortlisted for the final stage of the tender for a contract to supply a new fleet of 200km/h EMUs under its Next Generation Intercity (ICNG) programme.

Alstom, Bombardier, Siemens, and Stadler have been invited to submit bids in the best and final offer stage of the competition and NS says it expects to award the contract this summer. The trains are due to enter service from 2021 onwards.

The tender, which was published in July 2014, calls for a modular train which can be supplied in 80m, 110m, and 160m-long formations. The dual voltage (1.5kV dc and 25kV ac) EMUs will be equipped with the standard Dutch ATB train protection system and ETCS for operation on HSL South, where they will replace the class 186 Traxx locomotives and ICRm coaches currently used on Intercity Direct services from Amsterdam to Rotterdam and Breda.

NS has not publically disclosed how many sets will be ordered, but says the base order must provide around 25,000 new seats, with options for additional trains. According to the tender document, the fleet could provide up to 80,000 seats by 2030.

The ICNG procurement is an important element of NS' High Frequency Rail Programme and for the integrating the operation of HSL South into the main network following the collapse of Fyra.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 02:33 PM   #3100
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I have noticed the minimum top-up has gone up from 4 euros to 5 euros, but you can top-up less to the nearest multiple of 5 euros. Is this a new feature? I don't remember seeing that before. For example if you have 19.68 on your card, you can top up to 20.00 by adding just 0.32.

This may already be common knowledge, but in certain circumstances you can get a few cents of free credit, as long as you top-up with cash. Because cash payments are rounded to the nearest 0.05, the machines only ask for top-ups in multiples of 0.05. So in the above case, you only have to top-up by 0.30 and your card still gets topped up by 0.32, so getting 0.02 extra credit.
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