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Old July 3rd, 2016, 03:49 PM   #3261
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The new Arriva FLIRTs will be used on all sprinter/stoptrein services in Limburg, from december Arriva will take over a couple of those lines from NS (not intercities though). Once the Maaslijn (Roermond - Venlo - Nijmegen) has been electrified they will also be used on that line, and you'll also see it on the cross-border Liège - Maastricht - Heerlen - Aachen service.
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Old July 3rd, 2016, 04:08 PM   #3262
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That is good to know.

Has there been any recent (< 18 months) news on recommissioning the Kerkrade - Schijn op Geul line? Should be feasible at a relatively cheap cost, I wonder.
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Old July 3rd, 2016, 04:13 PM   #3263
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You mean the line that is currently used by the ZLSM heritage railway line? There hasn't been anything new to report with regards to that line.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 01:49 PM   #3264
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and you'll also see it on the cross-border Liège - Maastricht - Heerlen - Aachen service.
Are they 3kV= compatible ? All or just a subset of them ? How is this supposed
to happen ? In open access mode (that would be a first time for Belgium) or
negotiated with SNCB ?
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Old July 4th, 2016, 05:51 PM   #3265
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A subset of the new FLIRTs will be equipped for operation into Belgium (3 kV =, TBL, ETCS) and Germany (15 kV ~, PZB). This will probably happen in cooperation with SNCB as this allows them to withdraw the current Liège - Maastricht train.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 08:53 AM   #3266
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Are they 3kV= compatible?
Stadler builds trains extremely modular. I have a sneaking suspicion that all DC models could run on either 1500V DC or 3000V DC, but in most of them this capability is disabled in the software.
There is no guarantee that the train is compatible with the Belgian track circuits though.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #3267
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NS and Alstom conclude contract on delivery of 79 high-speed intercity

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- Contract value more than € 800 million
- from 2021 at the Dutch track
- speed 200 km / h
- 25,000 seats
NS and Alstom sign a contract for the supply of 79 (single deck) Intercity trains with a speed of 200 km / h. Alstom came out as the best coach in the tender issued by NS. The train is based on the Coradia concept Alstom which already trains in several countries. The Coradia -train now adapted to train, so the train is suitable for use in the Netherlands in both the high-speed line (HSL) as the national rail network (HRN). The train is required to run from 2021 to the Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Breda on the high speed line. Also the train will run between The Hague and Eindhoven (partly HSL). NS has the option in the contract to buy more trains.

"Proven technology and at the same time a train is ready for the future. That seems to me briefly what Alstom our travelers and offers us. We look forward to the cooperation in the coming years. From now on we have to tackle filled with Alstom, for there is an ambitious plan and needs much to be done, "says Roel Okhuijsen, program director of new railway rolling stock. The new Intercity needed to replace existing equipment and the expansion of services.

"We are very pleased with the confidence that DND has allowed Alstom to be able to deliver an efficient, comfortable and environmentally friendly mobility solution to its passengers. The Intercity train to NS builds on the best and proven technology from the Coradia platform, more than 2,400 trains are sold worldwide and are used daily with high availability, "said Andreas Knitter, Senior Vice President Europe at Alstom.

First, completion of the final draft

The accompanying infographic is summarized what is next few years needs to be done to drive from 2021. Next year will focus on completing the final draft of the train. This is done in close consultation with passengers, crews, maintenance workers and cleaners, so that the train can be fitted into the Dutch system. Then start producing the first small series trains and we can test and acceptance phase of tests on various special test tracks in Europe, in a special climate in Vienna and many test runs on the Dutch track, both on the HSL as the regular track . Then start series production and are the first trains are expected in 2021 driving.

Features of the train

"The new train combines high speed with comfort and good accessibility. So this fast Intercity better suited to the platform. This makes the train more accessible to large groups of travelers, such as a stroller or a wheelchair. The train is also fully equipped for the traveler as comfortable seating, WiFi, sockets and USB connections at each seat, "says Roel Okhuijsen.

Some features of the new Intercity trains:

79 trains , railway buy 49 trains with five cars and 30 trains with eight carriages.

Seats; 79 trains have together about 25,000 seats, spread over various zones in 1 e and 2 e class.

'Dutch design' ; through the cooperation of Alstom with a Dutch artist we ensure that everyone will soon feel at home in this new train. The train gets pleasant areas, for example borrow more work / rest or socializing / meeting.

Ease of use; the trains include (wheelchair accessible) toilets, wifi, travel information displays, waste separation on the balconies, LED lights with Intelligent Light Control (USB) Sockets (first and second class), a slide reason for greater accessibility and extra luggage compartment. So we make the move for maximum convenience.

Latest technology ; the train must be able to operate with 25 kV catenary voltage (high-speed) and 1.5 kV (national rail). In addition, the train both the security system ERTMS will (now this is already on the HSL) as ATB (on the main railway network) on board. Cameras in the train and the presence of emergency buttons ( 'call for aid') provide a socially safe environment.

Backgrounds

A previously Siemens filed summary proceedings on the tender for the new high-speed intercity today won NS NS which now may conclude the contract with Alstom.

The purchase of 79 high-speed intercity fits into the ongoing modernization and expansion of the railway fleet. Thus flows the first new Sprinters in timetable from 2017 (Type Flirt manufacturer Stadler, 58 pieces) for including the preservation and expansion of student travel. From mid-2018 Watch more Sprinters (Type Civity manufacturer CAF, 118 pieces). Also 81 (VIRM) -dubbeldekkers modernized in the coming years in NS subsidiary NedTrain in Haarlem. In total NS is investing more than 2.5 billion in modernization and expansion of the fleet.



http://nieuws.ns.nl/ns-en-alstom-slu...le-intercitys/
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Old July 17th, 2016, 12:36 AM   #3268
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2021, only 15 or so years to actually integrate a real HSL service into the rest of network.

I wonder what te refitted VIRMs will look like. They did a nice job with the DDs and one could argue that the old VIRMs (light purple) have the worst interiors on the current trains. (Unrefurbished DDs and Matts excluded)

Luggage storage and sockets are two things NS trains badly need
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Old July 17th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #3269
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I wonder what te refitted VIRMs will look like. They did a nice job with the DDs and one could argue that the old VIRMs (light purple) have the worst interiors on the current trains. (Unrefurbished DDs and Matts excluded)

Luggage storage and sockets are two things NS trains badly need
The design is interesting, but execution has many problems, such as toilet doors that don't fully close anymore in several trainsets (leaving peek holes in and out), fading paint on glass doors, peeling paint on seats.
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Old July 17th, 2016, 01:15 AM   #3270
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Let's hope that the new units aren't as unreliable as the V250s from AnsaldoBreda!
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Old July 17th, 2016, 02:10 AM   #3271
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The design is interesting, but executing has many problems, such as toilet doors that don't fully close anymore in several trainsets (leaving peek holes in and out), fading paint on glass doors, peeling paint on seats.
And the doors into the compartments swing dangerously all over the place; Certianly they are not perfect but such things are quality issues and I far prefer them now to the old design.
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Old July 17th, 2016, 02:13 AM   #3272
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And the doors into the compartments swing dangerously all over the place; Certianly they are not perfect but such things are quality issues and I far prefer them now to the old design.
that is for sure, the old trains didn't have even individual seats!
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Old July 18th, 2016, 04:36 PM   #3273
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Is this the rolling stock which is supposed to replace the loco-hauled rakes
on the Brussels-Amsterdam service ? 2021 for first revenue service, that
probably means 2025 for the 3 kV= capable version, so still almost 10 years
to go with the existing stock... And still, NS concluded that it would not be
economical to refurbish the driving trailers ???
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Old July 18th, 2016, 05:22 PM   #3274
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Under the original plans those driving trailers would no longer be needed anymore, as the Fyra V250 units should've been running for a couple of years by now. As those coaches were in a heavy need of overhaul anyway (asbestos, among other things) and couldn't be used for other locomotives, NS decided to have them scrapped.

The Fyra fiasco didn't take place until long after the scrapping was completed.
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Old July 18th, 2016, 11:50 PM   #3275
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The ones that were destroyed are those from the original Benelux trains. Now these trains include a driving trailer that was before used in NS domestic service. There was a proposal to upgrade them so that they could pilot a traxx loco. NS decided against it... So now trains run top and tail or with the loco turned at each end.

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Old July 19th, 2016, 01:17 AM   #3276
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NS have actually tried to make the driving trailers work with the Traxx locomotives, two of them were converted for it. However, NS set a deadline at which it had to be stable and this deadline was not met.

Also, from a financial point of view it made more sense to acquire more Traxx locomotives to use for the ICd instead, as those locos can be resold when ICNG enters service while the trailers will be scrapped.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 08:41 AM   #3277
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They should have never let Nedtrain do that conversion, because they had zero experience with integrating ZWS/ZDS and ERTMS.
If they had chosen Bombardier to do the conversion - every current DOSTO is equipped like this! - I'm pretty sure it would have worked within the set deadline.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 06:34 PM   #3278
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I don't think that would have made much of a difference. The ICR BDs driving trailers were never built like that in the first place, they're regular coaches which were converted into driving trailers during the major overhaul shortly after the new millennium started.

If the task would have been given to Bombardier, their engineers would have had to figure out how to integrate all the necessary stuff for the operation of a Traxx locomotive as well as an ETCS Vital Computer into the BDs' bodyshell. And NedTrain's engineers probably know a lot more about those bodyshells than Bombardier's engineering department.

In reality, it has probably been a joint effort anyway - Bombardier supplying the necessary equipment and some engineers who jointly worked on it with NedTrain's crew.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 12:29 AM   #3279
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THE NETHERLANDS | Railways

A picture of the SNCF Coradia IC's with Vmax 160 km/h can be found here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR6CLDJW...jpg&name=large
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Old July 20th, 2016, 03:14 AM   #3280
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The thing that I love about Alstom is their wilingness to tweak the front fascia to the cutomer's wishes. We'll probably see someting NS-unique.
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