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Old September 9th, 2016, 01:52 PM   #3361
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What else should i do with a day ticket valid till Sunday..
At least take an hour per destination to walk around and see the sights or something. Don't imprison yourself on trains all day, they're not that comfortable in this country and they don't have restaurant cars.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 02:10 PM   #3362
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But we're still missing the promised train to Belgium, the whole reason this station gained its current proportions for


Did they design the architecture of the station to make the shock for the Belgians passing through less. I mean, it looks like the typical 100yo fixed and refixed brick housing, with windows sealed by bricks and then reopened and conrete patches that fix cracking walls, you will find in low end neighbourhoods in the bigger Belgian cities.

I looks like drab to be honest. It could be Borgerhout or Molenbeek, or the Bronx in 80ties.

What a shame.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 03:13 PM   #3363
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Bricks are something you see a lot in the neighbourhoods around the station, so the architect decided that his building should also have a brick facade to better blend into the surrounding area. They have chosen to use various coloured bricks to prevent the building from looking too overwhelming.

Back in 2009, this is what the entrance on the north side looked like:
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Old September 9th, 2016, 04:54 PM   #3364
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Here are some more photos from the Dutch forum section:

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Old September 9th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #3365
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What else should i do with a day ticket valid till Sunday..
Is this even possible with all the engineering work in the weekends.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 08:31 PM   #3366
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I mean, it looks like the typical 100yo fixed and refixed brick housing, with windows sealed by bricks and then reopened and conrete patches that fix cracking walls

What a shame.
That was exactly the inspiration, actually. But the the architect found it in Italy.

They've projected all earlier design phases on the brick walls, as it were.

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The main entrance of the station also changed to the north side.
Of course not. They just put it there because that made it easier during construction and because they don't give a shit about the people actually using the station by designing a ridiculously inconvenient and illogical layout. The main entrance is, and always will be, the city center side.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 08:50 PM   #3367
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Of course not. They just put it there because that made it easier during construction and because they don't give a shit about the people actually using the station by designing a ridiculously inconvenient and illogical layout. The main entrance is, and always will be, the city center side.
I meant it from an architectural viewpoint. Breda Centraal will be mainly accessed by the south side. This has repercussions, though: the rather large shopping areas might be less patronized than they would be otherwise, due to its location. Cheaper commercial rents would help though.

I wish they were building much taller buildings in the north side, on that reclaimed industrial land. With upcoming 64/day fast trains to Amsterdam and Rotterdam per day, it would be a good place to live and commute and save a lot of money in housing costs.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 09:42 PM   #3368
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[DE/NL] NS update: E 186 035, 037, 038-040



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This morning (09.09.2016) NS E 186 037 had its maiden run. E 186 035 left the Kassel factory to start its journey to the Netherlands. Bombardier continues right away with delivering the eight units that have been ordered extra: Batch E 186 038-045. The first three of this batch are already awaiting their maiden run. (Christian Klotz and Marcus Alf)
http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?n...5&action=dview
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Old September 10th, 2016, 12:26 AM   #3369
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During today's opening of Breda station they operated a steam tram on Speelhuislaan tracks which were reconstructed as a pedestrian path to the station






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Old September 10th, 2016, 03:24 AM   #3370
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There are two really horrendous things in that building:
- the fake concrete patches in the fake brick walls
- the squared pillars that become round halfway through

Last time I saw the half square/half round pillars I was 100% convinced it was temporary, to not ruin the lower half during the works, and that a squared cladding was going to be added. Those things look like a joke now

Luckily both things can be fixed for a cheap sum
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Old September 10th, 2016, 09:33 AM   #3371
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Is this even possible with all the engineering work in the weekends.
Yup, i planned the travel and I'm not facing any railworks
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Old September 10th, 2016, 05:53 PM   #3372
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What else should i do with a day ticket valid till Sunday..
I do such trips sometimes in Switzerland, with some non Swiss friends that do not own any kind of Swiss pass. There are cheap (~30 €) day passes for Switzerland that can be used by everyone, but these are hard to find, so every time they have time and get one (usually once or twice a year), my friends want to exploit them as much as possible!

(such passes are sold by the municipalities, not the SBB, and can be used only on certain dates - so to use them, one has to hope to find one and to find it valid on a day that suits him, which is not easy)

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During today's opening of Breda station they operated a steam tram on Speelhuislaan tracks which were reconstructed as a pedestrian path to the station
That's odd, I suppose they are remenants of some indistrial siding, right?
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Old September 10th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #3373
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(such passes are sold by the municipalities, not the SBB, and can be used only on certain dates - so to use them, one has to hope to find one and to find it valid on a day that suits him, which is not easy)
It helps to live in a small community. In Basel (15 available per day) they are sold out very quickly. Albeit now in fall it's a bit easier and there are still some left for every day starting mid October. Sometimes I get them for friends/family visiting from abroad.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 06:33 PM   #3374
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There are two really horrendous things in that building:
- the fake concrete patches in the fake brick walls
- the squared pillars that become round halfway through

Last time I saw the half square/half round pillars I was 100% convinced it was temporary, to not ruin the lower half during the works, and that a squared cladding was going to be added. Those things look like a joke now

Luckily both things can be fixed for a cheap sum
Since you're the only one deeply troubled by these things, do you mind footing the 'cheap' bill?
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I'd rather pay NS a course of fine architecture

C'mon, they just needed to go in full brick mode... what do those random patches mean? I can't look at those and not think to a run down industrial building.

The city itself is one of the nicest I've seen in NL!
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Old September 10th, 2016, 08:03 PM   #3376
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That's odd, I suppose they are remenants of some indistrial siding, right?
Indeed they are! It was a cargo branch line used until 1989. After that date is was still maintained until 2004. After that date the line was disconnected from the mainline at Breda station and parts are demolished.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 10:03 PM   #3377
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C'mon, they just needed to go in full brick mode... what do those random patches mean? I can't look at those and not think to a run down industrial building.

The city itself is one of the nicest I've seen in NL!
It's a reference to an old design feature (so called blind bays) that's fallen into disuse and is these days usually associated (often mistakenly) with the infamous window-tax introduced by Napoleon.

It can often be hard to tell the difference between windows that were bricked up for tax purposes and blind bays that were designed like that from the start.

Public buildings were exempt from the tax and indeed many churches (for example) already had these closed bays for decades if not centuries.

But with private houses it becomes very tricky. I happen to know that this building in The Hague was designed with closed bays. But this house... Who knows. These closed bays may have been closed bays from the start. Or they might have been windows that were bricked up later. Or perhaps some of them were initially closed bays while others were later bricked up. It's hard to know without the paperwork.
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Off all great station projects undertaken or u/c in Netherlands recently, Rotterdam Centraal is my favorite, and Arnhen Centraal comes at a very close second place. Amsterdam Centraal is my least favorite, they should have demolished the old station and built something completely new with stunning architecture and a massive floor-to-ceiling clearance. Something like full of glass playing tricks with sunlight reflection and a massive LED wall for electronic art display visible from Amsterdam Noord. Imagine that
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Old September 10th, 2016, 10:25 PM   #3379
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I'd rather not.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 11:08 PM   #3380
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That's odd, I suppose they are remenants of some indistrial siding, right?
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Indeed they are! It was a cargo branch line used until 1989. After that date is was still maintained until 2004. After that date the line was disconnected from the mainline at Breda station and parts are demolished.
Since I live in Breda only as of August, I don't know that much. But we are studying exactly that area north of the station and I think that it was also the historical steam tramway route. (That's why they used the historical steam tramway train during this opening ceremony) That tramway closed shortly before WWII, but was reopened as an industrial railway after WWII.

Nowadays only Speelhuislaan tracks remain (it used to be much longer) and all except for the last block were reconstructed as a pedestrian path.
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