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Old July 7th, 2012, 04:22 AM   #501
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Why not ERTMS standard?

Why not 25kV capable from the start?


These trains are supposed to last at least 30 years...
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Old July 7th, 2012, 04:32 AM   #502
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Why not ERTMS standard? Why not 25kV capable from the start?

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Old July 7th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #503
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For newly built units, the price difference should be negligable, especially compared to modifications after they have been made already.
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Old July 7th, 2012, 02:32 PM   #504
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For newly built units, the price difference should be negligable, especially compared to modifications after they have been made already.
One can expect the price for ERMTS equipment to go down in the future, and as long as you don't install it you don't have to maintain it either...
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Old July 7th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #505
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There's also no specific requirement to have ATB, the trains just have to comply with the Dutch regulations. Since the current cabinet wants to install ERTMS in the near future, there's a chance that ERTMS will become part of the regulations before 2016. Therefore I think it's only mentioned to be completely certain that it can be installed. And even if they wouldn't have done it I doubt that any of the manufactures would offer a train that isn't ERTMS ready since all of their standard trains are already prepared to have it installed.

Modifications have also become very cheap with the modular designs of modern trains. And since a complete change to 25 kV is still very far of, and if it will happen it will take place in stages. And there's no need for all trains to have both 1,5 kV and 25 kV capability during such a transition.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #506
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On Friday evening July 6th 2012, High Speed Alliance (NS Hispeed) received formal approval from the Dutch Inspection of Living environment and Transport to start revenue earning services with AnsaldoBreda build High speed train class 4800 (V250). Immediately the TOC applied for introducing an hourly service between Amsterdam and Rotterdam using the V250 from 10 September 2012. This will supplement the existing two trains per hour service linking Amsterdam to Breda, but replace the once hourly xx:13 departure via the classic route (not calling at Leiden Central) from Amsterdam to Rotterdam, better known as "the plaster train".

NSHispeed has applied for a 160 km/h path on the HSL-Zuid for its third Fyra train but is expected to run at 250 km/h to let passengers experience the new era in Dutch rail travel. As a result the train will arrive 8 minutes early in Rotterdam than advertised.

Until 10 September the TOC will train it's staff, but now the train is certified to carry passengers it is possible to do staff exams during revenue earning services from Amsterdam to Breda.

UPDATE: (13-07-20112) The TOC will put the V250 in service with "surprise" appearances in the current Fyra service to Breda from time to time. It is expected the first V250 will carry passengers later this month.

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Old July 29th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #507
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Today was the first ride with passengers the V250 with passengers.
From the dutch thread.

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Het was erg leuk om het toch nog te kunnen meemaken, ook al was het maar het kleine stukje van Schiphol naar Amsterdam Centraal.

Hieronder alvast een drietal filmpjes, de rest volgt later (na het eten):



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Old August 22nd, 2012, 12:59 AM   #508
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New stations opening Dec. 9, 2012

There is a relatively intense pace of construction of new stations in the Netherlands.These are the stations opening next December.

1. Almere Poort
2. Groningen Europapark
3. Halfweg-Zwanenburg
4. Hengelo Gezondheidspark
5. Utrecht Leidsche Rijn
6. Hoevelaken
7. Maastricht Noord
8. Dronten
9. Kampen Zuid.

Dronten and Kampen Zuid are on the new Hanzelijn which will start commercial service next December (it connects Zwolle and Lelystad, is fit with ECTS and can handle traffic up to 230km/h).

Roughly 30% of the national train schedules will be altered substantially (e.g., beyond minor timing adjustments) according to NS.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 09:30 AM   #509
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The Hanzelijn was designed for a speed of 200 km/h not 230 km/h, the operating speed will be 140 km/h as all trains will use the old ATB that is installed next to the ETCS. There are no trains that can go faster then 160 km/h anyway.

The line will be used by the IC trains from Leeuwarden and Groningen to Amsterdam and Schiphol Airport - (The Hague).
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:23 AM   #510
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Is there a map with service patterns of IC trains, like it exists for Belgium?
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 06:24 PM   #511
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Is there a map with service patterns of IC trains, like it exists for Belgium?
Yes, unofficial for the timetable 2012-2013 starting in December http://www.rover.nl/images/rover_spo...IC_2013_v2.pdf
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Before anyone asks, the numbers on that map are a proposal by the passengers organization Rover to give all the lines a number.

The dots next to the number corresponds to the number of train per hour on that route.
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 04:43 PM   #513
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Old September 4th, 2012, 03:51 PM   #514
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There is a relatively intense pace of construction of new stations in the Netherlands.These are the stations opening next December.
5. Utrecht Leidsche Rijn
Are you sure about that?
Cause I can't see any construction work while going under the A2 tunnel each day.
Was that not an early planned delivery date? I guess with the delay in the tunnel construction and all the future Leidsche Rijn centrum area, didn't they postpone the train station as well?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:55 PM   #515
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Nigh train services will be reduced from DEc. 9th

Instead of all-night services during weekends on the Rotterdam-Dordrecht-Breda-Tilburg-Eindhoven-Den Bosch-Utrecht semi-loop, there shall be only 2 hourly services until 2am.

Shuttle night service Den Bosch-Tilburg had been cancelled last year, and now the Utrecht-Gouda-Rotterdam shuttle will have just one night run.

The net cost of running the night trains on Brabant was estimated to be € 2,3 million /year. That cost will be reduced by 60% now with reduced service.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #516
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If you ask me, night trains are a great example of trains that can be operated by private sector parties such as Arriva. Those companies have already proven of being capable of offering more trains at lower costs...
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Old November 10th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #517
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If you ask me, night trains are a great example of trains that can be operated by private sector parties such as Arriva. Those companies have already proven of being capable of offering more trains at lower costs...
I don't know about the major service, but the Tilburg-Den Bosch shuttle carried less than 200 people per night (it only operated Thr-Fri and Fri-Sat nights) on average before it was cancelled. It operated 4 nightly frequencies, thus less than 50 people on average per trip. And more than half of its users were students travelling for free, according the to local newspaper here in Tilburg. It was essentially a party shuttle between both cities for bored students to have a night out at the other place.

Some colleagues are quite disgruntled at the nigh train cancellations because they used it often to reach Schiphol early in the morning for flights to their home countries on weekends, and now it is not possible to arrive at Schiphol on Saturdays before 8am or so. In any case, I asked two of them and their feedback was that those trains were semi-empty.

Apparently a major cost of these night trains is workforce. They close stations and have to have security personnel letting only those with tickets to enter the stations.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #518
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Summary of discount plans and passes

In case someone is curious, these are the discount plans and passes available on Dutch heavy railways (it excludes trams, subways, local light rail and Randstad Rail)

40% discount off-peak* and weekends = € 50/year

20% discount peak + 40% discount off peak and weekends = € 240/year

free travel on weekends** + 40% off-peak weekday discount = € 480/year 2nd class, € 780/year 1st class

free travel on weekends and weekdays off-peak* = € 1140/year 2nd class, € 1980/year 1st class

free travel anytime = € 3540/year 2nd class, € 5940/year 1st class

free travel anytime + free travel on regular fare local public transportation = € 4191/year 2nd class, € 6698/year 1st class

* peak travel: Monday-Friday 6h30-9h, 16h-18h30

** Friday 18h - Monday 4h

With these new fare plans (started this summer), passengers must check-in and check-out on the travel card readers whenever travelling, meaning it is no longer enough to just have a valid transportation pass stored in a card, but check in and out on each trip (sensible measure, as it greatly increases precise data collection about usage patterns etc)
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Old November 19th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #519
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The "free travel anytime" ("Altijd Vrij") passes are also available as a month pass and can be purchased at any NS ticket vending machine and on NS.nl.

In addition to these passes, you can also buy the "Fyra supplements" (a surcharge levied for travelling with the Fyra high speed train between Amsterdam and Breda - NOT BRUSSELS) as either a monthly or an annual subscription. "Fyra Altijd Toeslagvrij" (Fyra Always Without A Supplement) as a month pass costs € 71,70 a month 2nd class, € 93 first class. When purchased as a year pass, it costs € 480 second class, € 660 first class.

Interestingly enough, you can buy "Fyra Altijd Toeslagvrij" month pass on the NS TVM or when buying a new pass through ns.nl, but you can't buy it on www.nshispeed.nl. Please note: whilst NS Hispeed also offers a "Fyra Maandtraject" pass (which gives you unlimited travel on Amsterdam - Breda) some options (such as Amsterdam - Breda) are more expensive than combining "Altijd Vrij" with "Fyra Altijd Toeslagvrij"...
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Old November 20th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #520
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In case someone is curious, these are the discount plans and passes available on Dutch heavy railways (it excludes trams, subways, local light rail and Randstad Rail)

40% discount off-peak* and weekends = € 50/year

20% discount peak + 40% discount off peak and weekends = € 240/year

free travel on weekends** + 40% off-peak weekday discount = € 480/year 2nd class, € 780/year 1st class

free travel on weekends and weekdays off-peak* = € 1140/year 2nd class, € 1980/year 1st class

free travel anytime = € 3540/year 2nd class, € 5940/year 1st class

free travel anytime + free travel on regular fare local public transportation = € 4191/year 2nd class, € 6698/year 1st class

* peak travel: Monday-Friday 6h30-9h, 16h-18h30

** Friday 18h - Monday 4h

With these new fare plans (started this summer), passengers must check-in and check-out on the travel card readers whenever travelling, meaning it is no longer enough to just have a valid transportation pass stored in a card, but check in and out on each trip (sensible measure, as it greatly increases precise data collection about usage patterns etc)
Some of those options sound like a very good deal (although depends how expensive are standard tickets, I guess), others are very expensive. For example, travel anywhere anytime costs even more than in Switzerland (and ours really does include everything), on the other hand 40% discount is given away pretty much for free. Basically good for old people, students and locals/longer term visitors wanting to see the country during weekends, but not so good for people who'd like to use trains to commute to work.
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