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Old November 27th, 2012, 01:14 AM   #541
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So basically you built a brand new high speed rail line for billions of euros which is now being vastly underused or am I missing something here? Who said only in the South or the East is money squandered?
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Old November 27th, 2012, 01:16 AM   #542
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The cause of the accident seems to be a split pin used to secure the screw coupling. This pin seemed to be of inferior quality. The pin has been replaced on Sunday, all NID trainsets have been in service again since Monday morning.

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So basically you built a brand new high speed rail line for billions of euros which is now being vastly underused or am I missing something here? Who said only in the South or the East is money squandered?
Nope, you're right. Currently it's used by 2 to 4 trains per hour:
- Fyra Amsterdam - Breda, twice an hour (after 20:00: once an hour)
- Thalys to Paris
- Fyra V250 between Amsterdam and Rotterdam

In timetable 2013, the V250 is supposed to continue to Brussels. Initially 10 times a day... this will be expanded to 16 times a day when more rolling stock becomes available.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 08:29 AM   #543
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Well, I doubt that systems used in Urban transport networks with simple tariff structures would be possible to implement as-is on the Dutch Network.
The public transport system of the greater Tokyo area alone is arguably even more complex then the entire Netherlands as a whole. In this area 2 chip card systems are active. Both work and work fast. And in this same area you can also still buy paper tickets, which is an afterthought in the Netherlands, because they wanted to eleminate them.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 08:31 AM   #544
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The cause of the accident seems to be a split pin used to secure the screw coupling. This pin seemed to be of inferior quality. The pin has been replaced on Sunday, all NID trainsets have been in service again since Monday morning.
One thing I don't understand: Why did they replace them when converting from DDAR+mDDM to NID in the first place? If it is because of lifespan/wear don't the DDAR's run the same risk?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 08:35 AM   #545
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I am not sure why they did it, however, the issue is not a problem with DD-AR.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 01:24 PM   #546
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Oyster and OV Chipcard use the same technology, which actually was developed by a Dutch company...
Incorrect, the cards are sourced from the same company, NXP.
Revenue clearing houses, types of validators, are all different.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:28 PM   #547
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Are they serving hash browns on the trains?

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Old November 29th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #548
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Are they serving hash browns on the trains?

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Why would they serve these?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ReOGjaKjVf.../hashbrown.jpg
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 01:04 AM   #549
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 05:45 AM   #550
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I think it's time to post some updates about the Dutch railway network:

Hanzelijn (Lelystad - Zwolle)
Construction and testing of the Hanzelijn is finished!

A few months ago, ICE-3M #4610 has performed some test runs on the new infrastructure, achieving a top speed of 200 km/h under ETCS Level 2. However, regular trains will only run at 140 km/h because those trains are not equipped with ETCS, they only carry the legacy ATB system.

On Thursday December 6th the Queen will officially open the Hanzelijn, riding from Lelystad to Zwolle. On Saturday the 8th there will be free rides between Lelystad, Zwolle, and all intermediate stations. Starting from timetable 2013 (effective December 9th) regular trains will start using the Hanzelijn.

Ticketing
NS is pushing ahead with the introduction of the OV-chipkaart, the new RFID-based smart card that intends to be "one single ticket for all public transport". 2.5 weeks ago, a couple of tickets and passes have been changed and are now only issued on the OV-chipkaart. For example, the "doggie day pass" is no longer available on paper.

NS is planning to require passengers to use their OV-chipkaart if they want to travel with a discount (for example, when using the Voordeelurenabonnement) starting Spring 2013. From then on, only full fare and international tickets will be sold on paper.

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Arriva
Arriva is getting bigger and bigger! On December 9th they will take over the following services:

- Zwolle - Emmen, currently operated by NS Reizigers
- Zutphen - Apeldoorn, currently operated by NS Regio
- Achterhoek (Arnhem - Winterswijk and Zutphen - Winterswijk) from Syntus,
- Betuwe area (Elst - Tiel) from Syntus

For all of these services Arriva has ordered new GTW DMU's and EMU's from Stadler which have been given the appropriate liveries and interior fittings.

Hermes
A newcomer from the Connexion-Transdev group: Hermes will start operating trains on the Arnhem - Doetinchem line, using the same rolling stock as Arriva: GTW. Arriva will run on the same line between Arnhem and Doetinchem.

HSL-Zuid
Several months ago the AnsaldoBreda built V250 trainsets finally got their admissions for carrying passengers on the HSL and convetional rails in both The Netherlands and Belgium. Up until now the V250 has been running between Amsterdam and Rotterdam. Sometimes the V250 is used to replace a broken Traxx+coaches combination.

However, things are going to change: the Beneluxtrein (Amsterdam - Brussels via The Hague and Roosendaal) will disappear after December 8th, from December 9th Fyra is intended to travel to Brussels using the HSL-Zuid and the V250 rolling stock. Initially, the service will be limited to 10 trains a day due to rolling stock shortages. NS Hispeed is planning to increase the frequency to 16 trains a day, but they are dependant upon AnsaldoBreda for that.

Tickets for Fyra Brussels are not yet on sale, but what is known is that the ticket prices and conditions will be similar to Thalys. There has been a large public outcry over this as the Beneluxtrein is used by a heavily mixed audience. For instance, it is oftenly used by commuters that have passes for the Dutch and the Belgian networks. For Fyra Brussels, passes will not be available (initially), meaning that commuters might end up paying twice the amount of what they pay today. Also, the compulsary reservation means reduced flexibility.

At the time of writing this post, there is major uncertainty about the start of the Fyra Brussels service: political approval is required under the HSL-Zuid concession, and this has not been given yet. Without this approval, the train can not operate - there is a significant chance that this approval will not be given in time for the timetable change, next week.

Also, several consumer organisations have complained to the Dutch competitive authority about potential abuse of the monopoly position that NS and NS Hispeed enjoy regarding the introduction of Fyra to Brussels.

In brief:
- The High Frequency Rail Programme (Programma Hoogfrequent Spoor, PHS) has become uncertain as the Dutch government needs to cut budgets. PHS intended to upgrade main corridors to support 6 intercity and 6 local trains per hour during rush hour, but economic and sociological outlooks question the need for PHS.
- After the crash in Amsterdam, earlier this year, the Dutch government planned on installing ERTMS across the Netherlands. The ERTMS roll-out has been confirmed last week, and will commence in 2016. The budget assigned to PHS will probably be partially used for this.
- Starting from 2017 the regional rail service from Düsseldorf to Emmerich will continue to Arnhem, re-establishing a connection that was broken when ICE International was introduced (in 2000)
- With the introduction of Timetable 2013 (effective Dec. 9th) 5 new stations will open: Kampen Zuid, Dronten, Groningen Europapark, Almere Poort and Halfweg-Zwanenburg.
- Also in Timetable 2013: the intercity Amsterdam - Vlissingen will start to run twice an hour, between Roosendaal and Vlissingen this train wil call at all stations. The local train (Vlissingen - Roosendaal) will no longer operate, the intercity will be taking its place. Furthermore, this train will be re-routed over Schiphol, re-establishing the intercity from Rotterdam to Schiphol that was abolished with Timetable 2012.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 06:44 PM   #551
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HSL-Zuid
The Beneluxtrein (Amsterdam - Brussels via The Hague and Roosendaal) will disappear after December 8th, from December 9th Fyra is intended to travel to Brussels using the HSL-Zuid and the V250 rolling stock.

Also, several consumer organisations have complained to the Dutch competitive authority about potential abuse of the monopoly position that NS and NS Hispeed enjoy regarding the introduction of Fyra to Brussels.
The same happened last year with the break of direct connections Rotterdam - Schiphol via The Hague: travellers were forced into the expensive Fyra or take a normal train but changing in The Hague or Leiden. Now this abuse has been corrected:
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- Also in Timetable 2013: the intercity Amsterdam - Vlissingen will ... be re-routed over Schiphol, re-establishing the intercity from Rotterdam to Schiphol that was abolished with Timetable 2012.
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- Starting from 2017 the regional rail service from Düsseldorf to Emmerich will continue to Arnhem, re-establishing a connection that was broken when ICE International was introduced (in 2000)
Let's hope it won't take 13 years before an affordable solutions is found for the connection Antwerpen - Roosendaal / Breda for commuters presently using the Benelux train.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 12:05 AM   #552
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Some questions:

- why they don't extend the Zwolle-Roosendaal intercities to Vlissingen without intermediate stops except Bergen op Zoom, thus providing more service in Zeeland, the most neglected Dutch province when it comes to rail

- will they use only V250 for domestic Fyra services?

- will Fyra International carry domestic passengers in Netherlands (with seat reservation of course!)?
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 12:30 AM   #553
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Some questions:

- why they don't extend the Zwolle-Roosendaal intercities to Vlissingen without intermediate stops except Bergen op Zoom, thus providing more service in Zeeland, the most neglected Dutch province when it comes to rail
The local service was loss-making and NS wanted to get rid of it, together with the closure of a few stations. The province of Zeeland negotiated with NS to prevent closure of the smaller stations. However, NS still wanted to get rid of the loss-making local service. So, it was opted that the intercity service was used to now serve all intermediate stations.

The passenger flows for Zeeland are more oriented towards Rotterdam and beyond, that's why the Amsterdam - Vlissingen service was chosen and not Zwolle - Roosendaal.
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The V250 trains are intended for both domestic and international services. The V250 introduction is planned as follows:
- V250 on Amsterdam - Brussels (series 9200)
- V250 on Amsterdam - Rotterdam (series 1000)
- V250 on Amsterdam - Breda (series 900)
- V250 on Antwerp - Breda (series 1200 I believe)

It all depends on rolling stock availability: the few V250 trains that are available now will first go to the 9200. Once enough trains are available for working on the 9200, they will continue introducing V250 on other services.
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- will Fyra International carry domestic passengers in Netherlands (with seat reservation of course!)?
From December 9th, the 1000 series that is currently operating between Amsterdam and Rotterdam will cease to exist, as the rolling stock is required for the service to Brussels. To compensate for the loss of seats, domestic passengers will be carried on this train as well - without requiring a reservation.

This is a temporary situation due to rolling stock shortages: the end situation is that there will be 4 Fyra trains between Amsterdam and Rotterdam that won't need a reservation (900 + 1000) and 1 that has a compulsory reservation (9200).
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What about services to/from Breda from DEc. 9th?
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The Fyra services to and from Breda will continue to operate as they do currently, meaning: Traxx locomotives pulling ICRm Prio coaches. Do note that adjustments have been made to the timetable: trains will leave Breda 4 minutes later, will leave Amsterdam 2 minutes earlier.
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So HSL will see quite a diversity of rolling stock. TGVs, V250, Traxx-hauled ICR consists and, from 2015 maybe, AGVs or the next Siemens thing (forgot the name, too late for that)

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Speaking of Dutch railways, a friend of mine got a large bill (€ 103) for boarding Thalys without a ticket thinking her "open date" ticket would allow her to travel any train on that route. So she was billed for Thalys fare + service charge + fee for on-board issuance of ticket.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 10:31 AM   #557
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You're correct: the HSL will see Thalys (PBA and PBKA), Traxx+ICRm and V250. The V250 will gradually replace the ICRm rolling stock throughout 2013. At least, that's the plan. Reality might turn out to be quite different, those ICRm coaches shouldn't have been there in the first place

Eurostar is planning on going to Amsterdam from 2014 using their new Velaro e320's, DB is planning the same with their Velaro D's. However, by the time that the Velaros will reach Amsterdam the ICRm should be gone.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 01:33 PM   #558
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In other news: NS has temporarily reduced it's services in half in the Rotterdam area because of frosty conditions and sleet.

These are drastic measures for this kind of weather. I dread what will happen when there's actual snow instead of sleet and temperatures far below freezing. It seems to me that the only reason they did this is because the bonuses of the management depend on the quality of service and someone thought it was a good idea for trains that don't run to not be included in those statistics.
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The go-ahead signal has been given for Amsterdam - Brussels, tickets will be on sale from tomorrow. From april 2013 there will be a service Antwerp - Breda every two hours, at the current price, without reservation or any ticket price flexibility.

Woohoo, I guess?
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Old December 4th, 2012, 01:18 AM   #560
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In other news: NS has temporarily reduced it's services in half in the Rotterdam area because of frosty conditions and sleet.

These are drastic measures for this kind of weather. I dread what will happen when there's actual snow instead of sleet and temperatures far below freezing. It seems to me that the only reason they did this is because the bonuses of the management depend on the quality of service and someone thought it was a good idea for trains that don't run to not be included in those statistics.
Actually this is a new management plan put to deal with winter conditions. When some weather parameters are expected as imminent (temps below -5 or snow/ice/sleet), they will preemptively reduce services to avoid propagation of delays or having rolling stock stuck on a key node.

The idea is to contain delays to areas actually affected by bad weather and avoid the 2010 debacle where almost all key national services were brought to a halt while rolling stock couldn't be moved out of the heavily snowed-in Leiden-Den Haag-Rotterdam-Gouda perimeter.

This new plan also defines more clearly what are Pro-Rail responsibilities on managing snowed tracks.
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