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Old November 21st, 2008, 08:19 AM   #81
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That's temporary, until the new high speed trains arrive. You know, the very ugly ones.
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Old November 21st, 2008, 09:46 AM   #82
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so what is its (this green loco's) speed?
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Old November 21st, 2008, 11:08 AM   #83
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Not much. :/ Just regular speed.
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Old November 21st, 2008, 06:32 PM   #84
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160 km/h
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Old November 21st, 2008, 10:42 PM   #85
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Man, I can't believe the Netherlands doesn't have true HSR yet!!
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 09:41 AM   #86
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why? What is Thalys?
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 10:30 AM   #87
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We also have the ICE, going to Frankfurt am Main. However, both Thalys and ICE don't run at full speed, but 150 km/h maximum. So no high speeds yet. And yesterday it was announced that it will take another year for the HSL-Zuid to open, because AnsaldoBreda can't deliver the trains on time and because there are more problems with the safety system. If it continues like this, this safety system will turn out to be working well, since there has never happened an accident there, because we keep delaying this project all the time
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 01:52 PM   #88
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so, they don't drive full speed because of safety system problem, right? I have no idea about it before... I found some Dutch suburban train pictures , if you allow me I'd like to share them with you here.
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@kuvaci Please share, no problem.
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 10:20 PM   #91
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What station is this?
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And yesterday it was announced that it will take another year for the HSL-Zuid to open, because AnsaldoBreda can't deliver the trains on time and because there are more problems with the safety system.
What's the source for that?
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Old November 25th, 2008, 09:26 AM   #95
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The Dutch NOS Journaal, www.nu.nl, the newspaper Trouw, to name a few.
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Donderdag 20 November
De eerste treinen op de hogesnelheidslijn HSL Zuid laten opnieuw op zich wachten. Verkeersminister Camiel Eurlings deelde dat donderdag mee in de Tweede Kamer. De Kamer reageerde woedend, ook omdat de minister de exploitant HSA te hulp wil schieten om een faillissement af te wenden.

Thursday 20 November
Again the first trains of the HSL-South has a delay. Trafficminister Camiel Eurlings says this at the Parlement. The Parlementmembers are furious, because now Eurlings wants to finance the HSA (High Speed Alliance, the traincompagny) to affoid a bankrupcy.(The HSA has ordered the trains at AnsaldoBreda, because it was the cheapest deal)

(I tried to translate it as possible)

Source: http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/2632...-HSL-Zuid.html

There are problems with the safetysytems and there are problems with the trainmanufacture AnsaldoBreda, the previous Dutch goverment hasn't have an agreement about the deliverytimes of the trains. So AnsaldoBreda doesn't get a penalty if there is a delay of delivery.

It is not the first time AnsaldoBreda has delayproblems.
From wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansaldobreda,_S.P.A.

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The company has recently become known for delaying the delivery of the new IC4 high-speed Diesel multiple units and refusing to acknowledge penalties claimed by the government because of these delays. The trains were supposed to be ready in 2003, but so far Ansaldobreda has only been able to deliver a single set for testing. May 21st 2008 the Danish customer DSB announced that they would cancel the entire 5 bill. DKK (€670mln) contract unless at least 14 sets are delivered and in service by May 2009. However 70% of the contract amount has already been paid to AnsaldoBreda.

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The cheapest solution isn't always the best solution. It's horrible
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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:13 AM   #98
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Is car travel common in Netherlands?
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Yes, most people use cars, resulting in lots of jams. Our motorways are completely stuck during rush hours. The government wants to encourage people to use the train more and more often.
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Old December 2nd, 2008, 08:44 AM   #100
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