THE NETHERLANDS | Railways - Page 5

Timon91 · November 21st, 2008, 07:19 AM

That's temporary, until the new high speed trains arrive. You know, the very ugly ones.

Kuvvaci · November 21st, 2008, 08:46 AM

so what is its (this green loco's) speed?

Koen Acacia · November 21st, 2008, 10:08 AM

Not much. :/ Just regular speed.

Timon91 · November 21st, 2008, 05:32 PM

160 km/h

hoosier · November 21st, 2008, 09:42 PM

Man, I can't believe the Netherlands doesn't have true HSR yet!!

Kuvvaci · November 22nd, 2008, 08:41 AM

why? What is Thalys?

Timon91 · November 22nd, 2008, 09:30 AM

We also have the ICE, going to Frankfurt am Main. However, both Thalys and ICE don't run at full speed, but 150 km/h maximum. So no high speeds yet. And yesterday it was announced that it will take another year for the HSL-Zuid to open, because AnsaldoBreda can't deliver the trains on time and because there are more problems with the safety system. If it continues like this, this safety system will turn out to be working well, since there has never happened an accident there, because we keep delaying this project all the time

Kuvvaci · November 22nd, 2008, 12:52 PM

so, they don't drive full speed because of safety system problem, right? I have no idea about it before... I found some Dutch suburban train pictures , if you allow me I'd like to share them with you here.

Club_Dru · November 22nd, 2008, 07:40 PM

@kuvaci Please share, no problem.

Kuvvaci · November 22nd, 2008, 08:46 PM

demiryolportali-İlker Ertuğrul

X38 · November 22nd, 2008, 09:20 PM

What station is this?

X38 · November 22nd, 2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlchrisij

I like it

Dino S · November 22nd, 2008, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X38

I like it

Don't quote pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

33Hz · November 24th, 2008, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timon91

And yesterday it was announced that it will take another year for the HSL-Zuid to open, because AnsaldoBreda can't deliver the trains on time and because there are more problems with the safety system.

What's the source for that?

Timon91 · November 25th, 2008, 08:26 AM

The Dutch NOS Journaal, www.nu.nl, the newspaper Trouw, to name a few.

Club_Dru · November 25th, 2008, 09:08 AM

Donderdag 20 November
De eerste treinen op de hogesnelheidslijn HSL Zuid laten opnieuw op zich wachten. Verkeersminister Camiel Eurlings deelde dat donderdag mee in de Tweede Kamer. De Kamer reageerde woedend, ook omdat de minister de exploitant HSA te hulp wil schieten om een faillissement af te wenden.

Thursday 20 November
Again the first trains of the HSL-South has a delay. Trafficminister Camiel Eurlings says this at the Parlement. The Parlementmembers are furious, because now Eurlings wants to finance the HSA (High Speed Alliance, the traincompagny) to affoid a bankrupcy.(The HSA has ordered the trains at AnsaldoBreda, because it was the cheapest deal)

(I tried to translate it as possible)

Source: http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/2632...-HSL-Zuid.html

There are problems with the safetysytems and there are problems with the trainmanufacture AnsaldoBreda, the previous Dutch goverment hasn't have an agreement about the deliverytimes of the trains. So AnsaldoBreda doesn't get a penalty if there is a delay of delivery.

It is not the first time AnsaldoBreda has delayproblems.
From wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansaldobreda,_S.P.A.

Denmark
The company has recently become known for delaying the delivery of the new IC4 high-speed Diesel multiple units and refusing to acknowledge penalties claimed by the government because of these delays. The trains were supposed to be ready in 2003, but so far Ansaldobreda has only been able to deliver a single set for testing. May 21st 2008 the Danish customer DSB announced that they would cancel the entire 5 bill. DKK (€670mln) contract unless at least 14 sets are delivered and in service by May 2009. However 70% of the contract amount has already been paid to AnsaldoBreda.

Timon91 · November 25th, 2008, 01:45 PM

The cheapest solution isn't always the best solution. It's horrible

serdar samanlı · November 27th, 2008, 09:13 AM

Is car travel common in Netherlands?

Timon91 · November 27th, 2008, 05:09 PM

Yes, most people use cars, resulting in lots of jams. Our motorways are completely stuck during rush hours. The government wants to encourage people to use the train more and more often.

Jay · December 2nd, 2008, 07:44 AM

[QUOTE=woutero;18686266]

what class is this?

November 21st, 2008, 07:19 AM	#81
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	That's temporary, until the new high speed trains arrive. You know, the very ugly ones. __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

November 21st, 2008, 08:46 AM	#82
Kuvvaci Strange User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Istanbul Posts: 20,051 Likes (Received): 26	so what is its (this green loco's) speed? __________________ Turkey Railways Development /High Speed Rail Turkish Airports /Aviation

November 21st, 2008, 05:32 PM	#84
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	160 km/h __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

November 21st, 2008, 09:42 PM	#85
hoosier Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,465 Likes (Received): 0	Man, I can't believe the Netherlands doesn't have true HSR yet!! __________________ R.I.P. Moke- my best bud

November 22nd, 2008, 08:41 AM	#86
Kuvvaci Strange User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Istanbul Posts: 20,051 Likes (Received): 26	why? What is Thalys? __________________ Turkey Railways Development /High Speed Rail Turkish Airports /Aviation

November 21st, 2008, 10:08 AM	#83
Koen Acacia Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Hague Posts: 4,242 Likes (Received): 66	Not much. :/ Just regular speed.

November 22nd, 2008, 09:30 AM	#87
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	We also have the ICE, going to Frankfurt am Main. However, both Thalys and ICE don't run at full speed, but 150 km/h maximum. So no high speeds yet. And yesterday it was announced that it will take another year for the HSL-Zuid to open, because AnsaldoBreda can't deliver the trains on time and because there are more problems with the safety system. If it continues like this, this safety system will turn out to be working well, since there has never happened an accident there, because we keep delaying this project all the time __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

November 22nd, 2008, 12:52 PM	#88
Kuvvaci Strange User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Istanbul Posts: 20,051 Likes (Received): 26	so, they don't drive full speed because of safety system problem, right? I have no idea about it before... I found some Dutch suburban train pictures , if you allow me I'd like to share them with you here. __________________ Turkey Railways Development /High Speed Rail Turkish Airports /Aviation

November 22nd, 2008, 07:40 PM	#89
Club_Dru World citizen Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ...NL Posts: 150 Likes (Received): 0	@kuvaci Please share, no problem.

November 22nd, 2008, 08:46 PM	#90
Kuvvaci Strange User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Istanbul Posts: 20,051 Likes (Received): 26	demiryolportali-İlker Ertuğrul __________________ Turkey Railways Development /High Speed Rail Turkish Airports /Aviation

November 22nd, 2008, 09:20 PM	#91
X38 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Antwerpen Posts: 4,130 Likes (Received): 10	What station is this?

November 25th, 2008, 08:26 AM	#95
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	The Dutch NOS Journaal, www.nu.nl, the newspaper Trouw, to name a few. __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

November 25th, 2008, 09:08 AM	#96
Club_Dru World citizen Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ...NL Posts: 150 Likes (Received): 0	Donderdag 20 November De eerste treinen op de hogesnelheidslijn HSL Zuid laten opnieuw op zich wachten. Verkeersminister Camiel Eurlings deelde dat donderdag mee in de Tweede Kamer. De Kamer reageerde woedend, ook omdat de minister de exploitant HSA te hulp wil schieten om een faillissement af te wenden. Thursday 20 November Again the first trains of the HSL-South has a delay. Trafficminister Camiel Eurlings says this at the Parlement. The Parlementmembers are furious, because now Eurlings wants to finance the HSA (High Speed Alliance, the traincompagny) to affoid a bankrupcy.(The HSA has ordered the trains at AnsaldoBreda, because it was the cheapest deal) (I tried to translate it as possible) Source: http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/2632...-HSL-Zuid.html There are problems with the safetysytems and there are problems with the trainmanufacture AnsaldoBreda, the previous Dutch goverment hasn't have an agreement about the deliverytimes of the trains. So AnsaldoBreda doesn't get a penalty if there is a delay of delivery. It is not the first time AnsaldoBreda has delayproblems. From wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansaldobreda,_S.P.A. Denmark The company has recently become known for delaying the delivery of the new IC4 high-speed Diesel multiple units and refusing to acknowledge penalties claimed by the government because of these delays. The trains were supposed to be ready in 2003, but so far Ansaldobreda has only been able to deliver a single set for testing. May 21st 2008 the Danish customer DSB announced that they would cancel the entire 5 bill. DKK (€670mln) contract unless at least 14 sets are delivered and in service by May 2009. However 70% of the contract amount has already been paid to AnsaldoBreda. Last edited by Club_Dru; November 25th, 2008 at 09:20 AM.

November 25th, 2008, 01:45 PM	#97
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	The cheapest solution isn't always the best solution. It's horrible __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

November 27th, 2008, 09:13 AM	#98
serdar samanlı Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 775 Likes (Received): 0	Is car travel common in Netherlands?

November 27th, 2008, 05:09 PM	#99
Timon91 Error Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: just outside Germany Posts: 5,780 Likes (Received): 0	Yes, most people use cars, resulting in lots of jams. Our motorways are completely stuck during rush hours. The government wants to encourage people to use the train more and more often. __________________ My Flickr account. Some of my photoseries: Northern Ireland, Prague, Boston, Alaska part 1, 2, 3, Smoggy Moscow, Warsaw, Wrocław, Kiev, Donetsk, Odessa and Chişinău.

December 2nd, 2008, 07:44 AM	#100
Jay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buenos Aires Posts: 2,023 Likes (Received): 28	[QUOTE=woutero;18686266] what class is this?

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