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Old December 23rd, 2013, 12:30 PM   #1201
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You are exaggerating, about 1/3 of UK network is electrified already. Much more if you measure by passenger numbers instead of distance.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 12:35 PM   #1202
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You are exaggerating, about 1/3 of UK network is electrified already. Much more if you measure by passenger numbers instead of distance cheat.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 01:07 PM   #1203
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Netherlands has a lot to do in terms of electrification as well in Groningen and Fr^yslan provinces. Too many diesel lines out there.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 01:14 PM   #1204
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Netherlands has a lot to do in terms of electrification as well in Groningen and Fr^yslan provinces. Too many diesel lines out there.
You have an odd perception of the concept of quantity.



The line between Leeuwarden and Groningen should be electrified and should feature two tracks. Unfortunately the only way that line would have received a real impulse would have been through the construction of a railway line on the Afsluitdijk which is not going to happen since the government decided to go with the Lelystad-Zwolle connection instead.

Other than that... Maybe Zwolle - Almelo deserves electrification... The other ones barely deserve to still be around. Electrifying them would be silly.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 01:18 PM   #1205
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They should electrify the line to Leer (in partnership with Germans), providing a better connection to Bremmen, Hamburg and points beyond.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 01:20 PM   #1206
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I agree. Unfortunately cross-border rail travel is littered with problems. More problems, in fact, than before the borders were open.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 01:56 PM   #1207
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Looking at the map above I'd also say that cross-border services from Groningen are weirdly underdeveloped. Isn't there now a special EU program for promoting cross-border rail and road connections between member states?
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 03:38 PM   #1208
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Electrification of Zwolle - Almelo and Zwolle - Kampen is almost certain at this point.
Zutphen - Hengelo will be electrified if it will be chosen as the preferred freight route Rotterdam - Bad Bentheim (which, at this point seems to be the case).
For Groningen - Leeuwarden and Nijmegen - Roermond electrification is desired, but at this point not sure.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 03:40 PM   #1209
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Zwolle-Kampen?

Isn't that line now kinda redundant since the Hanzelijn opened? I read they want to convert it into a "sneltram"-like service.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 03:52 PM   #1210
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Well, it seems the old station remains popular, because it's closer to the centre and IJsselmuiden. A new station Zwolle Stadshagen has already been approved, other stations are being considered.
http://www.weblogzwolle.nl/content/view/37732/55/
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:00 PM   #1211
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You're still electrifying?
http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...tish-isles.gif - a bit dated, but still good as overview.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:13 PM   #1212
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Zwolle-Kampen?

Isn't that line now kinda redundant since the Hanzelijn opened? I read they want to convert it into a "sneltram"-like service.
Nobody was interested in operating a sneltram between Zwolle and Kampen, so the decision was taken to have it remain a railway line.

In the future, when Kampen - Zwolle and Zwolle - Wierden are electrified, the lines might be put into a single concession and put out for tender. This is more likely to attract interested parties, but will probably mean that the infrastructure at Zwolle will have to be adjusted.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:24 PM   #1213
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How have traffic patterns to/from/through Zwolle changed now that both Hanzelijn and the Nijverdal tunnel in Zwolle have been in full operation for a while?
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 08:32 PM   #1214
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They should electrify the line to Leer (in partnership with Germans), providing a better connection to Bremmen, Hamburg and points beyond.
There isn't enough call for such a link. Do you read and understand Dutch? There's a whole thread dedicated to a Groningen to Leer link.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 08:50 PM   #1215
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There isn't enough call for such a link. Do you read and understand Dutch? There's a whole thread dedicated to a Groningen to Leer link.
I certainly don't. Why is there very little demand and are you sure it's not a chicken and egg problem (no demand because connections are poor and poor connections because there is little demand)?
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 09:00 PM   #1216
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(Harlingen)-Leeuwarden-Groningen-Leer should have been fully electrified decades ago.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 09:09 PM   #1217
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Hmm the line to Leer is difficult though, with the voltage break..
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 09:13 PM   #1218
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Hmm the line to Leer is difficult though, with the voltage break..
Another reason for which the Zuiderzeelijn project should be put back on table again.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 10:10 PM   #1219
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Why the lack of HSR or upgraded train lines between northern Netherlands and Germany?
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 10:22 PM   #1220
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Why the lack of HSR or upgraded train lines between northern Netherlands and Germany?
That is a very good question! They should have built a HSL Amsterdam-Maastricht-Liege to connect with HSL there (and then to Aachen, Köln an the existing HSL).
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