THE NETHERLANDS | Railways

[Maxx☢Power]

Originally Posted by error98

I was under the impression that German highspeed trains are too fat as it were, compared to the lean French TGVs

You think this:



looks "fatter" than this?

[Wover]

Originally Posted by JoKo65

Could it be that ETCS is a big load of sh##?
Problems in Belgium, problems in Spain, problems in the Netherlands…

It's being installed on the new HSL between Luik and Aachen, and ICE's should be riding on those tracks in April.

I also believe that ECTS is used on the Italian (Milano - Firenze -) Roma - Napoli line (not sure about the first part).

[Mr_Dru]

On the route Utrecht- The Haque the new commuter trains 'De Sprinter' are in service


The new Sprinter and old Sprinter side by side next to a Interregiotrain

[error98]

Originally Posted by Maxx☢Power

You think this looks "fatter" than this?

The French tend to think so. The pictures you show are vastly different. You show an ICE from the gate. Then you show a TGV with the wheels and the tracks included.

Kindly find better pictures to prove your point.

It was just a jest from my side.

[error98]

Originally Posted by Mr_Dru

The new Sprinter and old Sprinter side by side next to a Interregiotrain

I was walking near Dieren and those old Sprinter trains in the middle make a heck of a noise.

Do you have any suggestions how to derail them? Noisy bastards like those should not be running.

[Wuppeltje]

Never had a feeling that they were noisy in comparison to other trains.

[Maxx☢Power]

Originally Posted by error98

The French tend to think so. The pictures you show are vastly different. You show an ICE from the gate. Then you show a TGV with the wheels and the tracks included.

Kindly find better pictures to prove your point.

Here's a TGV from a similar viewpoint:



Don't mean to hijack the thread, was just surprised to hear that someone would think the Velaro looks more bloated than the TGV..

[ChrisZwolle]

Originally Posted by Mr_Dru

On the route Utrecht- The Haque the new commuter trains 'De Sprinter' are in service

The new Sprinter and old Sprinter side by side next to a Interregiotrain

The right trains (VIRM) pass a lot by my apartment. They're a lot more quiet than the other trains here (ICRm + Mat'64) but they make a high squeaky sounds, I recognize it immediatly. I don't know why that is.

[Slagathor]

From your description, that squeaky sound will be one of two things:
1) the engine which has a strange wail to it, or
2) friction in the passages between the coaches (it gets pretty bad sometimes).

The other day I was on a VIRM and one of the passage doors wouldn't close. The noise from inside the passage was so bad I decided to move to another coach.

[Maxx☢Power]

I've been on those trains too (the double-decker yellow one on the right) and I remember I was surprised by how quiet it was, because it looks like quite a beast from the outside Although I also remember the distinct, high-pitched squeaking sound which as you write seemed to come from the friction between the cars..

[error98]

Originally Posted by Maxx☢Power

I've been on those trains too (the double-decker yellow one on the right) and I remember I was surprised by how quiet it was, because it looks like quite a beast from the outside Although I also remember the distinct, high-pitched squeaking sound which as you write seemed to come from the friction between the cars..

The latest run of the VIRM cars has been perfected, even less of that noise.

PS

It is not my opinion (TGV/ICE) but French jingoism. The Germans are always portrayed as being fat ... I prefer the ICE's because of the amount of space (I'm tall).

[JoKo65]

Originally Posted by sweek

Just so you know, those first and second busiest systems are Japan and probably Switzerland. Which is in Europe, but not in the EU, so I guess it's the busiest in the EU.

What's about Belgium?

[hoosier]

So when is the expected opening date of HSL Zuid?

Wikipedia says sometime in 2009.

[Momo1435]

There is none.

After the last expected opening dates passed without success they decided to make it work before setting a new date.

- They need to make the ERTMS level 2 work, it does work but not if the equipment in the trains is from a different manufacturer then the trackside equipment.

- The ERTMS Level 1 at the connections with the existing network to make it work with the ATB system in place should be ready right now. I don't know if the trains are also adapted for this solution.

- The Thalys trains are being fitted with the ERTMS right now, but it should take some time to fit all trains.

- I don't know what the current status is of the temporary trains with the Bombardier locomotives. I don't think they are certified to run with ERTMS in the Netherlands yet, this makes the temporary services still not possible.

- AnsaldoBreda tries hard to transport the V250 set from the Czech Republic to the Netherlands. It should have arrived here a few weeks ago, but because of some problems it scheduled to be transported this week. But since they said the same thing the last two weeks, I have my doubts if they will manage it this time.

And when those trains are here, it's first only for more tests. And if those are successful they can think about getting the trains certified to run in the Netherlands and in Belgium. And only when that happens they can start running trains with them over the HSL Zuid, and then only when the ERTMS problems are also fixed.

In other words, it could take a while.

[mramelet]

What a crap.
It was ready before the french TGV-East, but this one is already operationnaly running since almost 2 years!
They just wanted to save a few money by not installing a working communication solution (like the TVM 430).
On the TGV East, they installed both!
So stupid :-(

[JoKo65]

That's it. In Germany they installed LZB on the new lines, because they know it works. None needs this crap called ETCS.

[Abdelkarim]

Hebben jullie foto's van de Beneluxtrein?
En worden die treinen na in dienst stelling van de HSL verkocht of krijgen ze een tweede leven?

[Momo1435]

Since this is the international section, we have to write in English.

After the HSL is completely in service the class 11.8 locomotives will probably be used by the Belgium railways for freight trains. The driving trailers are likely to be scraped because they didn't get a major overhaul together with the rest of the coaches. The overhauled coaches will used in Dutch national services until all ICR coaches will be replaced in due time.

But until then they should first be used on the temporary shuttle services on the HSL and there are also voices in the Dutch politics that don't want to get rid of the Benelux service as a cheaper alternative for the HSL. But I doubt that will happen, since it will need some investments in new rolling stock. Maybe a new international operator will start competing under the new European competition rules from 2010.

anyway, pictures.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/wessele/3430996828/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulvanduin/3414247061/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/denniskoster/3414080791/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/groen47/3334775211/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/denniskoster/3263013434/

[De Snor]

Originally Posted by Mr_Dru

On the route Utrecht- The Haque the new commuter trains 'De Sprinter' are in service


The new Sprinter and old Sprinter side by side next to a Interregiotrain

I do like the new colours , far better than that boring yellow

[Qaabus]

That colour scheme has been used for ages.