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Old June 28th, 2014, 04:55 PM   #1541
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Except that Sprinters are for many people the only/fastest/best option to travel, even for longer distances (even up to 60 minutes).
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Old June 28th, 2014, 05:21 PM   #1542
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Wouldn't be possible to change the option contract for more SLT trains, fitting toilets?

I think SLT are good trains for most of their use. Very wide doors facilitating movement, a better seat plan than the older Sprinters.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 08:11 PM   #1543
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I don't know if the addition of toilets would have been possible within the contracts, especially from the perspective from the original tender for the SLT trains.

Anyway, the NS has chosen to start a new tender. That's the only reality right now. And it will mean that the NS will keep having 2 different kind of Sprinter EMUs, no change there.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 11:09 PM   #1544
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Have they totally retired the outdated old trains from the late 1970s that were running some stoptrein services until very recently?
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Old June 28th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #1545
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These series still have Mat'64 in them.


4400/9600 Sprinter Deurne- Eindhoven 's-Hertogenbosch – Nijmegen
(usually SLT, SGMm and NID though)

6800 Sprinter Maastricht Randwyck – Maastricht – Sittard – Roermond

6900 Sprinter Heerlen – Sittard

7000 Sprinter Apeldoorn – Deventer – Almelo – Hengelo – Enschede

7500 Sprinter Ede-Wageningen – Arnhem

21400 Nighttrain (Eindhoven) -Utrecht-Amsterdam-Rotterdam (Usually VIRM, ICMm or NID though)
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Old June 28th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #1546
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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:58 AM   #1547
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I hope Mat '64 will not be retired before december
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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #1548
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I hope Mat '64 will not be retired before december
These old trains are really two notches below the usual standards of Dutch trains in terms of comfort. They are poorly insulated, very noisy, and has its passenger room awkwardly configured.

I guess they were modern when first introduced.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:45 AM   #1549
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A British Rail train called "Amsterdam" painted in Dutch livery to promote the Stena Line train-ferry link to the Netherlands in 1993.

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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:47 AM   #1550
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These old trains are really two notches below the usual standards of Dutch trains in terms of comfort. They are poorly insulated, very noisy, and has its passenger room awkwardly configured.

I guess they were modern when first introduced.
I can tell you never grew up in the Netherlands. I love those trains. It brings back many happy memories!
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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:54 AM   #1551
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What's the big deal with toilets, anyway?
Passengers want them.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 03:03 AM   #1552
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I can tell you never grew up in the Netherlands. I love those trains. It brings back many happy memories!
They lack many modern features:

- proper lighting (they are poorly lit)
- retention toitlets that don't discard contents on rail tracks
- wi-fi
- passenger information monitors

I also don't think the cost of retrofitting them would justify doing so. They probably have mechanical components at or near the end of their useful life.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 08:38 AM   #1553
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Mat '64 is pure nostalgia, already saved from retirement many times.

First in the 1990s when the new SM '90 EMUs were presented as it's successor, but only 9 were built which already have been retired 7 years ago. Then came the SLT in the 2000s which was to replace all of the Mat '64 sets, but that turned out different. I've seen several plans to retire the sets for good over last couple of years, but the current sprinter rolling stock shortage makes it keep on going. Although we do see sets being retired and scrapped on a regular basis it's probably going to soldier on for some time.


The fact that they were very modern at the time when they entered service in the 1960s and 70s makes them still usable. For their age they are not even that outdated and they are far more comfortable then many of the newer generations of regional trains in Europe.

I don't get to ride them too often anymore as I did when they were the only trains used on the Utrecht - Leiden route. But when I do I always get to sit in the compartment above the powered bogie. It's the sounds and the vibrations which are absolutely awesome. They also have a typical smell which just brings back nostalgia.

They are at the absolute end of their lifespan, I understand, but it's still sad that they will still be gone soon.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:16 PM   #1554
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I can tell you never grew up in the Netherlands. I love those trains. It brings back many happy memories!
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They lack many modern features:

- proper lighting (they are poorly lit)
- retention toitlets that don't discard contents on rail tracks
- wi-fi
- passenger information monitors

I also don't think the cost of retrofitting them would justify doing so. They probably have mechanical components at or near the end of their useful life.
You're not getting the point. Of course they're not for this age anymore. But Dutch people typically love them just for the sake of childhood memories.

If you asked any Dutch kid in the 1970s, 1980s or the 1990s to draw a picture of a train, they would have drawn a Mat '64. It wasn't just a train, it was the train.

Does that warrant the enormous price tag it would take to retrofit these trains? No. Of course not.

But we still love them.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:19 PM   #1555
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Jesus Christ, as a kid they were the Dutch train to me too, and I'm not even Dutch
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Old June 30th, 2014, 11:01 AM   #1556
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A British Rail train called "Amsterdam" painted in Dutch livery to promote the Stena Line train-ferry link to the Netherlands in 1993.

Some lad in Britain found it very unfair that British Rail has made an effort to paint one of their trains in Dutch livery, but NS did nothing. So he photoshopped a couple of trains himself. Very impressive:



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Old June 30th, 2014, 12:43 PM   #1557
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The problem with Brussel North is that a train arriving from the North basically has to leave towards the South (and vice versa). You can't that easily reverse trains there without eating up a lot of capacity.
The track layout of Brussels North has been radically simplified several years
ago, on the basis that no train used that station for reversal or composition
changes anymore. A fire destroyed the original signalling installations and to
speed-up the rebuilding, all track equipment that was not intensively used
has been removed. You won't find any siding or engine pocket anymore there,
just switches that allow to choose between different platform tracks...

On the other hand, this is not that critical. Trains from Den Haag would be
made of either ICRm rakes or new EMUs. I read somewhere that ICR coaches
with driving cabins were taken out of sidings to be equipped with driving
posts compatible with TRAXX locs. So in both cases, trains would be reversible
with no specific track layout needed, just a few minutes layover to
allow the driver to change direction.

So this explanation for not implementing the proposed route just looks like
an excuse to me. The real reason is probably that they never intended to
implement, and that this proposal was only a way to put pressure on NS so
that they do something. Now that they have obtained what they want, they
just widthdraw. Not really a surprise...

By the way, station Brussels South will follow the same route : a severe
simplification of the track layout is under way. Reversals and composition
changes are becoming quite rare there too. The station is now under control
of a computerized signalization system, from which can be obtained detailed
usage statistics of each and every single switch. Anyone that is not, or only
sparsely, used, will be removed.
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Old June 30th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #1558
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NS: no new inter-city trains until 2021
Monday, June 30, 2014



THE NEW CEO of Netherlands Railways (NS) Mr Timo Huges, has informed the Dutch secretary of state for infrastructure Mrs Wilma Mansveld that NS will not acquire any new inter-city rolling stock before 2021.

The Dutch government has urged NS, which holds the concession to operate most regional services and all inter-city trains in the Netherlands, to procure new inter-city rolling stock within four years.

However, NS says it wants to apply the lessons it has learnt as a result of the disastrous procurement of V250 high-speed trains from AnsaldoBreda and wishes to choose from various suppliers, which takes time.

NS has also stressed that new inter-city rolling stock will have a maximum speed of 200km/h, and it has no intention of ordering faster trains, arguing that higher speeds are not required because of the relatively short distances between stations.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 06:26 PM   #1559
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Why have NS introduced a minimum top-up of €4? Also, the ticket office didn't like me topping up with loose change (0.01 and 0.05 euro coins have little use these days) and only allowed me to top up with whole euros. So a top-up of €4 is OK, but €4.11 isn't.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 06:52 PM   #1560
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Topping up with the OV-chipkaart is very limited to begin with.


They should look at Hong Kong and see how it is done there. You can step into any store that allows Octopus payments, give them money and they will put that on your card.
Really customer-friendly and it just MAKES SENSE.

Get off your shit, TLS, NS, GVB, etc.
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