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Old July 31st, 2014, 12:09 AM   #1641
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GVB and RET accept CCs.
Do GVB charge a fee for credit cards? I was in Amsterdam this morning but I only used the NS machine.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 11:20 AM   #1642
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I have lost the plot now with train traveling in the Netherlands. If I'd decide to fly to the Netherlands tomorrow (I might) and travel by train from Schiphol to Sneek, what do I do? I want to pay in cash only.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 01:25 PM   #1643
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Go to the ticket counter and ask for a 'retourticket Sneek'.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 01:30 PM   #1644
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@Road_UK Then you're in luck: Schiphol is one of the few stations that still has ticket counters. A few side notes however:
  • When you buy a ticket at the counter instead of a ticket machine you have to pay extra
  • Factor in extra time, because last time I was at Schiphol there were long queues at the counters
  • A retourticket is only valid on the same day. For the journey back on another day: Sneek doesn't have a ticket counter, but if you insist on paying with cash you can probably already purchase an undated one-way ticket for the return journey at the Schiphol counter
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Old July 31st, 2014, 06:52 PM   #1645
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but if you insist on paying with cash you can probably already purchase an undated one-way ticket for the return journey at the Schiphol counter[/LIST]
Ticket machines don't accept cash?
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Old July 31st, 2014, 07:41 PM   #1646
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Ticket machines don't accept cash?
NS ticket machines don't accept cash.

RET, HTM and GVB do accept cash, but you can't buy national rail tickets on them, just a chipkaart with embedded value
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Old July 31st, 2014, 07:47 PM   #1647
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Your system is so complex… So if you come from abroad and don't have a right type of card you are screwed. I'd probably be totally lost if I were to travel to Netherlands without studying the system beforehand for several hours.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 07:53 PM   #1648
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NS machines accept coins, don't they...? Not banknotes though.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 08:48 PM   #1649
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Your system is so complex… So if you come from abroad and don't have a right type of card you are screwed. I'd probably be totally lost if I were to travel to Netherlands without studying the system beforehand for several hours.
You could just load money on an OV-Chipkaart, and then use it in any form of public transportation (with very limited exceptions)
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Old July 31st, 2014, 08:54 PM   #1650
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From what I read elsewhere, there is at least one machine on each station that takes coins, to a maximum of 20 coins, so the most money you can insert is €40.
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You could just load money on an OV-Chipkaart, and then use it in any form of public transportation (with very limited exceptions)
Yes, you could argue that the Dutch system is the simplest around. All you have to do is touch in and touch out and don't have to think about how much the fare is, especially if you use top-up automatically. You don't have to worry if a particular ticket is valid on a particular route or at a particular time of day.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 08:59 PM   #1652
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In the mean time machines across Europe have caught up with the 21st century and accept papermoney as well.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 09:08 PM   #1653
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21st century and paper money in the same sentence? Ooh boy. I was under the impression bank cards were the hippest thing at the moment.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 11:45 PM   #1654
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The advantage of coin only machines is that the machine is far less likely to run out of change. They are more likely to work in NL than in other countries as the maximum fare is so low. Some stations in England have card only machines because the train company is worried that they would be robbed of cash.
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The advantage of coin only machines is that the machine is far less likely to run out of change. They are more likely to work in NL than in other countries as the maximum fare is so low. Some stations in England have card only machines because the train company is worried that they would be robbed of cash.
If not, they'd probably find a health and safety issue. UK is good like that...
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Old August 1st, 2014, 12:06 AM   #1656
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If not, they'd probably find a health and safety issue. UK is good like that...
For buses, the UK actually accepts cash more than they did in the 80s. You used to have to get weekly bus passes from bus stations or post offices but now you can usually get them on the bus. I just learned today of a bus company in Hertfordshire that issues a 28 day ticket on the bus for £99, valid on just two local bus routes!

On the other hand, London buses stopped accepting cash a few weeks ago. You can only pay with Oyster cards or contactless bank cards.
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I remember getting on the bus in Birmingham in my early days. 70p. That is where I was going.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 12:22 AM   #1658
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Yes, you could argue that the Dutch system is the simplest around. All you have to do is touch in and touch out and don't have to think about how much the fare is, especially if you use top-up automatically.
Well, my definition of "simplest around" is a system that allows users to use transports without minding about tickets at every step they take. Basically, the German one. You buy an area, fit your ticket in your pocket, change any vehicle/line/operator and forget it unless an operator needs to check it.

Organizing and splitting the bill is up to operators, not users...

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You don't have to worry if a particular ticket is valid on a particular route or at a particular time of day.
This is true only for single tickets. Since NL still lacks the concept of "area ticketing" (or at least Amsterdam lacked it) you may have a valid day ticket loaded on you card but still not being allowed on certain routes.
Happened to me in central Amsterdam one evening: I had to go to CS, had a day ticket with GVB, there was a problem on the tram line and I boarded a bus to "Amstedam CS". In the dark I didn't see it was a Connexxion bus, and at the time I was not even aware that there were other operators in the city. So I had to pay a full trip while having an abo for the city... and of course OV-C didn't warn me it was opening a new trip instead of using the ticket I already had.
Please, don't call OV-C a "user friendly" system... it just shifted the burden of organization from the system to every user.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 12:41 AM   #1659
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Since NL still lacks the concept of "area ticketing" (or at least Amsterdam lacked it)
They used to have area ticketing but they removed it. In the strippenkaart days, you could get a day ticket for Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Den Haag or Utrecht which you would buy from the driver as an 8-strip ticket stamped vertically. That was valid on all buses, trams, metros and trains in the relevant zones. If you wanted the whole country you would get two 8-strip tickets, although trains were only valid in certain areas. That was a bargain and I enjoyed many long distance day trips by bus.

The strippenkaart meant that you could have unlimited travel in the chosen zones for a certain amount of time by stamping one more strip than the number of zones. Basically like Germany. That was good if you travel a lot, but not so good for shorter trips. The OV-Chipkaart 'reizen op saldo' is more related to the distance you actually travelled. The philosophy is that you should pay for what you use. Arriva buses no longer have any kind of season ticket or day ticket, except the expensive nationwide season ticket. Hence the introduction of the 'Altijd Korting' product where you pay a subscription to get a discount off each trip. Basically like a railcard.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 12:51 AM   #1660
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I remember getting on the bus in Birmingham in my early days. 70p. That is where I was going.
For the benefit of most of the readers of this thread who aren't aware, the main bus company in Birmingham doesn't give change on its buses. You have to drop the coins into a box, the driver checks the money and then releases a lever to drop the coins into a vault. The driver has no access to the vault so can't be robbed. This system is also designed to speed up boarding. Obviously that's not so convenient for those who want change, and competing bus companies give change as a way of differentiating themselves from the main operator.
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