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Old August 7th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #1761
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It would not add another 10 minutes. I know how the UK Border Agency operates, I'm dealing with them a few times in the week.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #1762
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Do high-speed trains trigger automatic breaking if someone push emergency buttons or pull handles?

I actually don't understand the rationale to give passengers the control over emergency stops on trains that still retain it. It is not like passengers can recognize modern emergencies on trains that the engineer couldn't, so the most useful thing could be something to alert the engineer or a third-person out of the train to take some procedure.

Things like foreign object on tracks, track intrusion etc. are usually not visible to passengers at all, only to the control cockpit. Fire is an emergency, but modern trains have fire alarms on their own. Incidents between passengers are best not dealt by stopping a train. Medical emergencies are best dealt having the train pull over at the next station where EMR can reach faster.
AFAIK, Eschede won't happen (or happen without so much causalities), if passenger, who noticed axle, that punctured floor, applied brakes, instead of searching for conductor.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 09:02 PM   #1763
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It would not add another 10 minutes. I know how the UK Border Agency operates, I'm dealing with them a few times in the week.
I'm only talking about the time two extra stops would require.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 10:16 PM   #1764
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Any plans to fix it?
In the tunnel, no.

Rolling stock: Somewhat. For the next generation IC rolling stock NS are specifically asking for a 'comfortable passenger experience with little pressure'. As far as I know, no plans exist to adapt the current stock.

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Why not just get rid of the security theatre, and do the passport checks on the train?
But that of course would be to obviously logical and efficient...
Tell that to the Brits, they're the ones who want all security theatre to have been done before the train crosses the tunnel. By the way, just abolishing the passport scenario won't completely get rid of the security theatre, there's also the baggage scan (for explosives) and I don't see that going away any time soon.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #1765
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AFAIK, Eschede won't happen (or happen without so much causalities), if passenger, who noticed axle, that punctured floor, applied brakes, instead of searching for conductor.
I still don't understand that. If I had seen an object puncturing the floor and almost hitting me, the first thing I would have done was pull the emergency brake. Of course the people involved were a a bit stupified at first when it happened, but as I understand it the train continued for several minutes before the accident happened.

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Tell that to the Brits, they're the ones who want all security theatre to have been done before the train crosses the tunnel.
The reason seems to be that anyone on British soil is eligible for the asylum procedure. This only leaves the option to deny unwanted persons while they're still outside the country. Some areas (mainly the airports) have a special status to circumvent this. The entire CTRL and all the stations along it don't and probably for good reason: You could pull the emergency brake anywhere on British soil, force the door open and run for it. You only need to climb the one gate that runs along the tracks. You would have to build an 'iron curtain' around the tracks to prevent this, but still a few weak spots will probably remain.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 10:04 AM   #1766
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Although the BDs and Bs (used for the Benelux) are looking similar, the BDs driving cabs arent allowed to be used in Belgium (this could always change though).
This is just because only the Benelux Bs were fitted with driving posts that
could pilot the SNCB HLE1181-1192 that they were coupled with. The BDs
were fitted only with driving posts for dutch locos and therefore useless in
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Old August 8th, 2014, 01:02 PM   #1767
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It's worth mentioning that all but 1 of the Benelux Bs driving trailers have been scrapped.

There are newer BDs standard ICR drivingtrailers in storage, they could be fitted for use on the HSL Zuid and for use in Belgium.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 01:19 PM   #1768
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As in really scrapped or converted to a normal carriage? In case of totally scrapped: why?!? They could have easily been converted or even used with their control equipment removed. That would would have saved a lot of effort now.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #1769
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Back then people were still under the impression that the V250 would be a good train. Hence, there was no need for those coaches and they were scrapped.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 04:58 PM   #1770
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AFAIK, Eschede won't happen (or happen without so much causalities), if passenger, who noticed axle, that punctured floor, applied brakes, instead of searching for conductor.
Something similar happened (DUTCH) not so long a go with a VIRM between Lelystad and Dronten because some f*ckhead thought it was funny to lay a iron tube at the tracks. Fortunately no one was at the balcony at the time.

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This is just because only the Benelux Bs were fitted with driving posts that
could pilot the SNCB HLE1181-1192 that they were coupled with. The BDs
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Yeah makes a lot of sense. Feeling really stupid right now

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As in really scrapped or converted to a normal carriage? In case of totally scrapped: why?!? They could have easily been converted or even used with their control equipment removed. That would would have saved a lot of effort now.

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Indeed only one survived.

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I still think it had something to do to discourage people to use the Benelux and therefore use the Fyra by making the train crowded.

Also the first 3 (not 2) BDs carriages arrived today at watergraafsmeer workshop for conversion to BR186 after being refurbished at the Haarlem workshop.

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Something that stands out is that all carriages refurbished so far have no number or logo so maybe they get a different logo for the IC direct.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 05:11 PM   #1771
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Woerden becomes the first station to close the barriers.

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First station closes platforms to non-smart card holders

Friday 08 August 2014

Woerden in Utrecht province on Friday became the first NS railway station to close off its platforms to non-smart card holders.

From now on, only people with the public transport smart card will be able to access the station by checking in.

Anyone wishing to wave off or collect someone will need a smart card, but will not have to pay for a train trip. Checking in gives you one hour at the station without having to pay the basic tariff.

Woerden is one of five stations where the NS has been experimenting with closed barriers during rush hour since January. The NS plans eventually to close off 82 stations completely and is testing this at 26 stations this year.

In cities such as Amsterdam Central, Leiden and Amersfoort the station is also a through-way from one side of the city to the other. In these cases, people will be able to load a 'right of passage' onto their smart card or apply to the local council for a special pass.
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Old August 11th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #1772
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The 186001 arrived today at it's new home at watergraafsmeer workshop.
Tomorrow it will start testing between Amsterdam and Deventer.

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Old August 11th, 2014, 10:06 PM   #1773
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It still looks old-fashioned in a way...
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Old August 12th, 2014, 01:03 AM   #1774
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That's because it is.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 01:34 AM   #1775
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They are removing some of the switches in Utrecht so you won't be able to reach all the tracks from every side anymore. This way they're hoping to prevent switch/service failures which disrupts every set of tracks branching off from here in stead of just one.

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Old August 12th, 2014, 03:06 AM   #1776
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That's because it is.
The first train of the Dutch railways got this yellow/blue livery in ~1971. Interesting that this livery lasts for so many years.

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Old August 12th, 2014, 12:34 PM   #1777
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I still want the green back.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 01:32 PM   #1778
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They are removing some of the switches in Utrecht so you won't be able to reach all the tracks from every side anymore. This way they're hoping to prevent switch/service failures which disrupts every set of tracks branching off from here in stead of just one.
This change was inspired by Japanese track design philosophy.

In the old configuration you could reach the same point via several routes. A failing switch would also block traffic on adjacent tracks, because of the way the interlocking works. They have now changed from the if-it-doesn't-work-provide-a-backup approach to a make-sure-that-what-you-have-works approach. As far as I can tell every entry/exit route still leads to at least 2 platforms. If that isn't sufficient you have a bigger issue then your track layout.

As long as they didn't go overboard this seems a good thing to me. Every removed switch can't break or get stuck anymore and greatly reduces the complexity of your signalling. Do realise that every switch/track circuit and signalling circuit you do have also has to be used at least once a day by a sufficiently heavy train to maintain proper operation (a.k.a. 'roestrijden').
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Old August 12th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #1779
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Got one question on the NS acquisition of the rolling stock. What is the tendering procedure? Does NS have to announce open tenders, or is it allowed to buy rolling stock without tendering and directly award a contract?

Any links, also in Dutch are welcome.

Second question. Are there any foreseeable plans for open tendering on the long distance track? I.e. not only the regional relations. And this then allowing a combined traffic. E.g. NS operating the same route as the private operator? Are those long distance tracks subsidized? How?
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It always has to be tendered following EU directives if an aquisition/service/delivery costs more than a certain amount.
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