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Old August 17th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #1821
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Old August 17th, 2014, 08:08 PM   #1822
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Do the eenmalige chipkaarten allow break of journey? If so, are the barriers clever enough to know if the station where you break your journey is on a valid route between the origin and destination stations?
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Old August 18th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #1823
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At the moment there aren't any closed stations if I'm right (Woerden maybe), so you don't have to check out or in if you use your eenmalige chipkaart. There might be a rule that it is only valid for a few hours after check-in, but I don't know that.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:19 AM   #1824
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At the moment there aren't any closed stations if I'm right (Woerden maybe), so you don't have to check out or in if you use your eenmalige chipkaart. There might be a rule that it is only valid for a few hours after check-in, but I don't know that.

I am really thinking about when the gates are shut, then you will have to touch out then back in again.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 09:44 AM   #1825
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Could it be that NS International (new brand of NS Hi-Speed) buys some second-hand TGVs from SNCF and fit them to run on the route?
Unlikely. First of all, SNCF doesn't seem interested in selling them, in fact they
send them to demolition as soon as they are taken out of service just to
ensure they won't be re-sold. And second, it's very expensive to add 3000V
capability to a train that has been initially designed to run under 1500V only.
For such trains, with a quite limited residual life, the cost would be too high.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #1826
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Unlikely. First of all, SNCF doesn't seem interested in selling them, in fact they send them to demolition as soon as they are taken out of service just to
ensure they won't be re-sold.
Is that legal? Class 1200 was already at the scrap yard and some even partly scrapped when ACTS won a court case against NS based on some European law stating that NS had to enable the competition to buy out of service equipment first before being scrapped. If it's indeed a European law SNCF has to do the same.

Nice thing is that the class 1200 is still around and ACTS doesn't even exist anymore.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 04:31 PM   #1827
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Is that legal?
Probably not, but as long as no potential buyer complains, it will probably
continue that way.

I remember indeed the NS 1200 case, they even asked a signed deal with
the scrapyard company that they would not resell any part, and specifically
not the ATB boxes...
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Old August 18th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #1828
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A long while ago I read an article about the oldest TGV sets. Appearantly, the quality is much better than was anticipated by its designers and SNCF is considering on giving the sets a 2nd life in the intercity transport sector once their use as a HST runs out. This would be somewhere around the 2018 timeframe.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 07:58 PM   #1829
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Class 1200 was already at the scrap yard and some even partly scrapped when ACTS won a court case against NS based on some European law stating that NS had to enable the competition to buy out of service equipment first before being scrapped.
Some were literally saved from the scrapyard.
The 1215 and 1225 were allready at the scrapyard when they were saved by ACTS (large image).


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Both the 1215 (1251) and 1225 (1252) are still in active service as of today.
In 2011 they had a reunion to celebrate the 60 year anniversary of the class 1200.

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The 1251 even got a new paintjob this year to celebrate the 175th birthday of the Dutch railways.


Strange thing is that most class 1600 are sold to private cargo companies at this moment.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 08:46 AM   #1830
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Strange thing is that most class 1600 are sold to private cargo companies at this moment.
That isn't strange. Despite them still being perfectly good locomotives (in France almost all BB7200, BB15000 and BB22200's are also still in service, despite being a few years older), for DB Schenker they're not practical. They can't be used on the Betuwe route, nor abroad, while DB Schenker has a fleet of multi system loco's. Domestically there are plenty of routes they can be used on, they're just not served by DB Schenker anymore.
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A long while ago I read an article about the oldest TGV sets. Appearantly, the quality is much better than was anticipated by its designers and SNCF is considering on giving the sets a 2nd life in the intercity transport sector once their use as a HST runs out. This would be somewhere around the 2018 timeframe.
That idea has now been sidelined in favor of new EMUs and D/EMUs specialized in intercity services. Most probably extrapolation of already
existing designs like Regiolis and Regio2N, adapted for a higher speed.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:40 AM   #1832
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At the moment there aren't any closed stations if I'm right (Woerden maybe)
Can I have a confirmation of this? Sunday I'll be having a weird trip around many stations and I'd like not getting stuck in barriers

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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:49 AM   #1833
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As of last Tuesday, the gates in Woerden are closed. They open by checking in or out with an OV-chipkaart, a disposable ticket, or a paper ticket which has a barcode. If you have none of those, there is an SOS & Info post which will get you in touch with an operator who can open the gates remotely.

During rush hour the gates are also closed at the following stations: Rotterdam Alexander, Almere Centrum, Houten and Enschede. This is an experiment to monitor how passengers react to the closed gates, so that NS can change things before a national roll-out.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:51 AM   #1834
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So this happens only in Woerden?
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:03 PM   #1835
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So this happens only in Woerden?
In peak times also at the places AlexNL mentions above.

I don't know if this is normal, but I was at either Almere Centrum or Lelystad a few weeks or a few months ago, not at peak time, and all the barriers were closed apart from one. I was breaking my journey there so didn't need to touch in or touch out so I used the open barrier.

What sort of ticket have you got, or will get for your day trip?
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:19 PM   #1836
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Actually I have a DB ticket (which was mainly a Munich - Amsterdam) where I specified to touch some destinations in NL before ending in Den Haag HS, as part of the same travel.
This is the ticket: http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/s...3.png~original

(I probably won't reach Almere, just Weesp)

I'm not even sure it is actually accepted by NS as a valid ticket! Two years ago I did the same and NS staff considered that ok, but I never understood if they really checked it or they just read the destination and didn't want to bother... so I'm still worried they'll kick me in the nuts if I show them this thing...
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:37 PM   #1837
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Actually I have a DB ticket (which was mainly a Munich - Amsterdam) where I specified to touch some destinations in NL before ending in Den Haag HS, as part of the same travel.
This is the ticket: http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/s...3.png~original

(I probably won't reach Almere, just Weesp)

I'm not even sure it is actually accepted by NS as a valid ticket! Two years ago I did the same and NS staff considered that ok, but I never understood if they really checked it or they just read the destination and didn't want to bother... so I'm still worried they'll kick me in the nuts if I show them this thing...
I find that NS staff aren't very fussy about that sort of thing. As long as you have some kind of ticket they seem to give you the benefit of the doubt if they are not sure about validity. They have never checked my ID when travelling on an e-ticket, for example.

It is different to a lot of British staff which refuse a ticket if it isn't obviously valid and only if you argue they might say "Well I'll let you off this time..." Especially when you get specialised "Revenue Protection Inspectors" whose only job is to catch people without a ticket. The British ticketing system is very complicated so a lot of people get caught out.

It would be interesting to know if the barcode on the DB ticket scans on the gate, though, even if you don't need to scan it because the barrier is open. If you follow the route that is printed on the ticket I can't see why you would have a problem, even though the route is unusual.
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Actually I have a DB ticket (which was mainly a Munich - Amsterdam) where I specified to touch some destinations in NL before ending in Den Haag HS, as part of the same travel.
This is the ticket: http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/s...3.png~original

(I probably won't reach Almere, just Weesp)

I'm not even sure it is actually accepted by NS as a valid ticket! Two years ago I did the same and NS staff considered that ok, but I never understood if they really checked it or they just read the destination and didn't want to bother... so I'm still worried they'll kick me in the nuts if I show them this thing...
I doubt that, it looks like an entirely valid DB ticket for European destinations. I've had Thalys tickets that looked a lot closer to a photoshop forgery and nobody ever batted an eyelid at those either.
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That's what I wanted to hear

The only time I had a problem was on the Amsterdam - Berlin IC, with DB staff not accepting DB ticket because, they said, it was not valid before Bad Bentheim.
Actually there was a mistake in the ticket, generated by their ticketing system, so that the tariff codes did not comply with the planned travel (codes that the user is not supposed to know).

Anyway, if I find a closed gate I'll try the barcode, just for the sake of it


PS: at the moment my biggest issue, apart from not having a house, is discovering if I can obtain an OV-studentenkaart. If so, I'll proclaim myself new King of the Netherlands.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 03:10 PM   #1840
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Last week I used the new Antwerpen to Eindhoven bus, run by DB, and I had a normal DB e-ticket same as you get for the train. The driver didn't bother to check the ID. However, although the bus was branded DB, the bus had a Dutch numberplate and had a Dutch speaking driver (so presumably Dutch or Belgian). Maybe my ID would have been checked if the driver was German!
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