the most similar european city to an american city. - Page 5

Jünyus Brütüs · January 27th, 2008, 09:46 PM

I think Frankfurt looks totally European, it has one of the best skylines of Europe but this does not make it American. It still reflects a European city.

Arbais · January 28th, 2008, 07:16 PM

1. Łódź
2. Warsaw
3. Katowice
4. Moscow
5. Paris suburbs

Giri · January 28th, 2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Arbais

5. Paris suburbs

Paris suburbs are their own thing. The truth is that their conception is very French : commieblocks ad infinitum are a French invention.

If you allude to La Défense, one more time, it doesn't really feel like America.

BaalNamib · January 28th, 2008, 08:57 PM

Welcome to LA :P

Arbais · January 28th, 2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Giri

Paris suburbs are their own thing. The truth is that their conception is very French : commieblocks ad infinitum are a French invention.

If you allude to La Défense, one more time, it doesn't really feel like America.

Paris suburbs aren't commieblocks but houses.

Giri · January 28th, 2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Arbais

Paris suburbs aren't commieblocks but houses.

Then you mean all those styleless individual houses in the periphery that make tentacular cities. Well, lotissements's roots lie in the XVIIIth century. Most of XIXth century urbanism is about lotissements with the infamous lotissements pourris inhabited by workers. This is the mythology of the boulevards périphériques.

In the late XXth century, the myth of individual property made this phenomenon drastically increase. It's true that the concept of living in a tiny pavillion far from the turpitudes of the center town is somewhat an American concept but architecturally speaking, it's not really the same thing.

***Minato ku*** · January 29th, 2008, 02:28 PM

He is right Giri, Paris suburbs = commieblocks is a myth
most of Paris suburbs are 70's to 2000's little house.

Most inhabitants of Paris suburbs are in middle class, and suburbs have a lower poverty, crime rate and unemployement rate than inner Paris.

Don't generalise te Parisian suburbs with only the Seine Saint Denis it is only 1.5 of the 8 million inhabitants and even the whole Seine Saint Denis is not like these myth.

Giri · January 29th, 2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Minato ku

He is right Giri, Paris suburbs = commieblocks is a myth
most of Paris suburbs are 70's to 2000's little house.

We were dealing with towns looking like American ones. I could not imagine that lotissements could be seen as American-looking.

rocky · February 1st, 2008, 02:03 AM

maybe the south costa del sol urban area with torremolinos, fuengirola, benalmadena,marbella

rocky · February 1st, 2008, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mishevy

This is awful. It looks as an extension of Disneyland Paris.

it IS a part disneyland

Patrick · February 17th, 2008, 10:40 PM

Frankfurt is said to have some similarities with Atlanta from the distance.

image hosted on flickr

and this pic is ... maybe more of an australian style?

Mexicola · February 3rd, 2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanshin-Tigress

most of the germanic countries look and feel pretty american in general (excluding the historic areas).

I feel the opposite!

Darhet · February 5th, 2010, 04:24 PM

Warsaw:

erbse · February 5th, 2010, 05:20 PM

Some people say Frankfurt would feel American. Apart from the skyline, I don't agree at all.

Warsaw would fit that description better. Apart from the reconstructed old town.

Fallout · February 5th, 2010, 05:44 PM

Warsaw, like Frankfurt may have german looking skyline, but I dont think the rest of its architecture has much common with USA. How many commieblocks do you find in american cities?

on the other side, Warsaw is chaotic and car-dominated, which AFAIK are typically american traits.

erbse · February 5th, 2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallout

Warsaw, like Frankfurt may have german looking skyline

Freudian slip?

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How many commieblocks do you find in american cities?

Way too many actually. Well, let's rather call them capiblocks

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Warsaw is chaotic and car-dominated, which AFAIK are typically american traits.

That's part of the reason I take Warsaw into account. It's also pretty American oriented, just as most of Poland is. It's also fraught with advertisements, which looks rather dull sadly.

Iluminat · February 5th, 2010, 07:16 PM

Warsaw is far from being car dominated actually, if you don't live in some new apartment complex in the middle of nowhere you can rely solely on public transport I don't even have a car for the matter... Warsaw is quite sprawled but it's mostly completely different kind of sprawl than what you see in America. But we have quite a big problem with advertising, billboards etc. especially in the city centre and yes it's dull as hell.

erbse · February 5th, 2010, 07:52 PM

Well, I guess "car dominated" includes big (or rather oversized) magistrals and traffic infrastructure, which is typical for both former East block countries and America - ironically enough.

Iluminat · February 5th, 2010, 08:24 PM

Well we have some wide streets but many of them have tram tracks in the middle

and I wouldn't really say it's oversized

Petr · February 6th, 2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Darhet

Warsaw:

and suburbs:

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Originally Posted by Iluminat

Warsaw is far from being car dominated actually, if you don't live in some new apartment complex in the middle of nowhere you can rely solely on public transport I don't even have a car for the matter... Warsaw is quite sprawled but it's mostly completely different kind of sprawl than what you see in America. But we have quite a big problem with advertising, billboards etc. especially in the city centre and yes it's dull as hell.

Agreed, 120 km of existing mostly separated tramway tracks, and new U/C or planned tracks, is far from being car dominated. Not mentioning subway, and railway hub. Over 50% of journeys in Warsaw is held with use of public transport.

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*Minato ku* Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Paris, Montrouge Posts: 11,674	He is right Giri, Paris suburbs = commieblocks is a myth most of Paris suburbs are 70's to 2000's little house. Most inhabitants of Paris suburbs are in middle class, and suburbs have a lower poverty, crime rate and unemployement rate than inner Paris. Don't generalise te Parisian suburbs with only the Seine Saint Denis it is only 1.5 of the 8 million inhabitants and even the whole Seine Saint Denis is not like these myth. __________________ すみません　! J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !

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Patrick DWF Alaaf! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kurtrier / Herzogtum Nassau Posts: 2,734 Likes (Received): 291	Frankfurt is said to have some similarities with Atlanta from the distance. image hosted on flickr and this pic is ... maybe more of an australian style? __________________ Viquet oisch, Motz d'Öropp!

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Fallout ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Gondor of Europe Posts: 1,782 Likes (Received): 122	Warsaw, like Frankfurt may have german looking skyline, but I dont think the rest of its architecture has much common with USA. How many commieblocks do you find in american cities? on the other side, Warsaw is chaotic and car-dominated, which AFAIK are typically american traits. __________________ Western society is interested beyond all measure in philosophy and politics, and the most vicious, ridiculous conflicts have been about philosophy and politics; it has also had a passionate love affair with literature and the arts, but nothing in its history has been as important as the need for rational certainty. The West has sacrificed everything to this need: religion, happiness, hope--and, finally, its own life. You have to remember this when passing judgment on Western civilization.

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Iluminat Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 8,607 Likes (Received): 93	Warsaw is far from being car dominated actually, if you don't live in some new apartment complex in the middle of nowhere you can rely solely on public transport I don't even have a car for the matter... Warsaw is quite sprawled but it's mostly completely different kind of sprawl than what you see in America. But we have quite a big problem with advertising, billboards etc. especially in the city centre and yes it's dull as hell.

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erbse Leave UiG alone! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mecklenburg, California of Germany ja! Posts: 20,270 Likes (Received): 4798	Well, I guess "car dominated" includes big (or rather oversized) magistrals and traffic infrastructure, which is typical for both former East block countries and America - ironically enough. __________________ MARS☻ONE *Making a Mars Settlement a Reality! (FAQ • SSC Thread • Mars One Fans Forum)*

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Iluminat Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 8,607 Likes (Received): 93	Well we have some wide streets but many of them have tram tracks in the middle and I wouldn't really say it's oversized

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