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Old February 11th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #21
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The distinction I guess is that stadiums have a larger central area suitable for football or soccer. Mile One in St. John's would generally be considered an arena. GM Place in Vancouver is an arena while BC Place is a stadium.

Halifax currently has the Metro Centre, an arena that seats a little under 10,000, and a bunch of smaller venues. Based on recent talk it won't be surprising if a new, larger arena is built before a stadium.
You are mostly right, however the terms "stadium" and "arena" are often used to describe the same thing, and there are different types of stadiums. Mile One Centre in St. John's was formerly called Mile One Stadium (total capacity 7,000).

I noticed there is an online petition for a new Halifax stadium: http://www.petitiononline.com/hstadium/petition.html
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Old February 26th, 2008, 09:21 AM   #22
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A stadium in Halifax would probably need to be closer to 30,000 if one of the goals is a pro football team. Teams need a minimum of 25,000 to break even. Building a stadium to hold 25,000 would be fine, but it doesn't leave much room for profit or added demand during playoffs, etc.

If the CMA of Regina (195,000) can draw an average of 30,000/game to see the Roughriders, the much larger CMA of Halifax (373,000) should be able to attract 30,000/game. Saskatchewan residents are great football fans, but there is no reason why Nova Scotia couldn't attract similar sized followings for a local team.
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A 25,000-30,000 seater facility would be great, perhaps looking something like this (which isn't too expensive):




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Old February 27th, 2008, 01:08 PM   #24
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Might as well make it a nice design, something like this (which was quite cheap to build):





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Old February 28th, 2008, 03:27 AM   #25
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^ well, it depends....this was what $80 million could buy for Toronto's BMO Field (20,000 seats):




I think it would be quite difficult for Halifax to get even $80-million, nevermind more for a stadium with roof over 25,000-30,000 seats.
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Old February 29th, 2008, 01:45 AM   #26
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Joop20:

Where is that stadium you posted and do you know how much it cost?

Mr.X:

The $80 million for BMO Field; did it include land costs? Halifax could raise that kind of money if the political will was there, but that is what is missing.
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Old February 29th, 2008, 03:09 AM   #27
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Joop20:

Where is that stadium you posted and do you know how much it cost?

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The $80 million for BMO Field; did it include land costs? Halifax could raise that kind of money if the political will was there, but that is what is missing.
I'm not sure...all I know is that there was an approx. $80-million figure around it.
But note that $80-million doesn't buy much for a stadium....it gave Toronto three grandstands with a total of 20,000 seats, a field, scoreboards, and a few luxury boxes and a small roof over some of the seats. It's a basic bone stadium.
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Very true. I'm not holding my breath on this one. Halifax has been talking about this for decades. They'll either have to win a Canada Games, have a rich Maritime family develop a severe case of philanthropy, or wait for SMU Huskies Football to blossom into a massive cash cow before a proper stadium is built there.

SMU Football is surprisingly their most convincing argument in favour of proceeding. They're arguably the biggest sports ticket in Atlantic Canada and definitely the biggest deal in Halifax. Haligonians care more about the Huskies advancing to a Vanier Cup than they do about the Mooseheads going to a final.
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Old February 29th, 2008, 08:28 AM   #29
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There are a few factors to consider. One is that a major CWG bid just fell through, losing millions of dollars. That was the most recent stadium-related scheme, and it will be a while before there is another. Without a major, flashy project like the Commonwealth Games, governments are less interested in providing funding.

A $80M stadium is not an exceptionally large project for the city, especially if the costs are shared amongst several different levels of government, possibly the private sector, etc. There are plenty of other things that could be done with the same money, however. What's the argument for building a stadium instead of improving transit or whatever else?
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[img]http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/t280/imgs/stadium/2006/north_rendering.jpg[/img[
Perhaps for a 25,000-30,000 seat stadium similar to the design of Toronto's BMO Field, this could be the funding scheme:

COST: $100-million
- $20 million federal government
- $20 million civic government
- $30 million provincial government
- $15 million for 20-year naming rights
- $15 million from CFL Halifax owner


That's not very difficult.
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Old February 29th, 2008, 10:38 PM   #31
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Joop20:

Where is that stadium you posted and do you know how much it cost?

Mr.X:

The $80 million for BMO Field; did it include land costs? Halifax could raise that kind of money if the political will was there, but that is what is missing.
I'm not 100% certain but I think that stadium is a newly built one in Gold Coast, Australia, which would be used for Rugby and Soccer.
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Old March 11th, 2008, 06:12 AM   #32
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Thanks. I prefer a seating bowl as opposed to grandstands that don't wrap around. Even a horseshoe creates a more intimate stadium experience than separate grandstands.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 06:47 AM   #33
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I don't know all the details about being a owner of a team but it
seems to me the CFL is in bad financial stability. In the US everyone
is building new stadiums and the NFL thrives. I can understand the CFL
being cautious but there should be at least 12 teams by now. 16 teams
would be great but I think that's probably wishful thinking. If the
MLS has 14 teams and looking to add more the CFL has to reform its
marketing strategies.

On the choice of stadiums grandstands or bowl, I would rather have
seats on the sidelines, the heck with the worthless end zone seats.
You cant judge the game viewing it vertically. Another huge money
saver is to build down below street level with the playing field and
grandstands. Street level would be your main concourse for restrooms
and Concessions stands. Building this way would allow for future
expansion of a upper deck/2nd level. I give the MSL credit. They have
built stadiums that seat @18k - 20k that allow for expanding seating
wants the demand goes up. Most of them are in a bowl configuration,
which for TV viewing looks like a Bush League. You can only stretch
that many rows , so high. That's another reason the stadium should be
built on the sidelines. Its better for TV too seeing 16k seats per
side rather than 8k on all 4 sides and bad end zone viewing.

If there are as many cities wanting a CFL team they should obtain the
land now, and all interesting ownership parties meet with a Stadium
Architect company. Buying in volume is the best way to get your moneys
worth


Well I'll check back for any responces.

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Old August 25th, 2008, 07:18 AM   #34
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I'm sorry but endzone seats are essential in my eyes ... seeing nothing but concrete or grass is absolute bush league to me.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 06:44 AM   #35
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Me too. Even a horseshoe is acceptable. No end zone seats take away from the energy and intimacy of the stadium. I'd rather a 40,000 seat horseshoe or bowl, than a 50,000 seat stadium with grandstands on each side.

Are there pro-football advocates in Mississauga? I'm surprised that I only hear about Ottawa, Quebec City, Halifax, Moncton, and occasionally Windsor. Miss. should have a team.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 07:36 AM   #36
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^ well, it depends....this was what $80 million could buy for Toronto's BMO Field (20,000 seats):


I think it would be quite difficult for Halifax to get even $80-million, nevermind more for a stadium with roof over 25,000-30,000 seats.
From Wikipedia:

"With the total costs [of BMO field] in the realm of $62 million ($72 million including land), contributions came from multiple sources. MLSE contributed $8 million towards the construction of the stadium and $10 million towards securing the naming rights of the stadium. The Canadian Federal Government contributed $27 million, with Ontario's government adding an additional $8 million. Toronto paid $9.8 million"

The province, city and owner really only need a combined 30 million to get this off the ground.
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Old October 24th, 2008, 06:04 AM   #37
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Whatever you do, keep the stadium intimate. The atmosphere at Huskies Stadium is 100 times better than any football or baseball game I've ever been to at Skydome in Toronto. Here's a reminder of what exists today.











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