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Old January 12th, 2017, 05:45 PM   #301
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Look dude, I don't know what your problem with the railways in Bulgaria is, but you are not the one who will say what lines the country needs and what it doesn't need. Like I said, the conditions are overall bad nowadays but that does not mean that there is no demand for new fast lines. Once again where are you from? Don't hide trying only to ridicule one country's network or another.
next time try reading with understanding and then reply. Look through all “East European” countries and find out which has actually built or is building proper high speed line? Yet despite that there are fast services operated. For example the Praha - Ostrava corridor is 356 km long and enables maximum speed of 160 km/h which Pendolino despite 3 intermediate halts are covering in 3 hours achieving 119 km/h average speed. In such case travel from Sofia to Burgas would take only 4 hours! The loco hauled trains achieving only 140 km/h with 10 intermediate stops are covering it in 3h and 30 minutes achieving 102 km/h average speed. Private train operator Leo Express using basically regional Flirt EMUs with 160 km/h maximum speed is covering this distance in 3 h and 10 minutes or 112 km/h average speed. That can be achieved on properly modernised conventional line. And of course Czech Republic is planning HS line but by no means its construction won't start before 2020 and first stage will include basically new line with maximum speed just 200 km/h which will replace present Brno - Prerov single track corridor. And this is a country which is three – four times wealthier (measured as GDP) than Bulgaria. So of course in far future Bulgaria may invest into new dedicated high speed line but at this moment investment into lines modernisations and most important double tracking should be a priority
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Old January 13th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #302
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How pathetic , a lofty representative of otherwise beautiful Czechia, probably with inferioirty complex to his German speaking neighbours, comes here to provide "competence" and boasts with his unbelievable performance comparing a modernized line for 160km/h with a partially modernized one which contains old sections even not U/C. In addition, you make comments about other East European countries... well Poland, Hungary, Romania to name but a few including Bulgaria do have their 160km/h lines. Do you know what is the speed of the Sapsan express in Russia?

If you consider your country so advanced, where are your 160km/h lines from Prague to Karlsbad for example, Prague-Pilsen-German border or Prague-Budweis-Austrian border. The list goes on but I will stop here. Your highways towards Austria should have already been completed, at least one of them. I almost forgot, start paying more tribute in Bohemia to one of the greatest automobile engineering minds this world has ever seen, born in Maffersdorf and named Ferdinand Porsche.

You know what, make a trip to Paris by train and pay particular attention to the line Strasburg-Paris. Then come back and talk about speed.

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Old January 13th, 2017, 12:20 PM   #303
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@Rail_Serbia: It would take some time to build such a HSL but it is worth the effort. Moreover, freight trains will also use it a lot. The route through Vienna & Budapest is indeed easier but 120km longer than that through Ljubljana and Zagreb and also the Western Balkans will not be bypassed. If we take a closer look at the Alps, we can see that the railway is mostly passing through ravines between Lendorf and Golling in Austria, following different riverbeds where possible. The biggest tunnels (Tauern and Karawanken) are ready, the rest of the terrain is not so challenging, except the passage through the Sichevo gorge. Of course overall renovation is necessary to increase the speed.
If there is a train between Berlin and Moscow, I don't see a reason why a line cannot exist between Munich and Istanbul, something like the new Orient express.
The density of the HS railway networks in Western Europe is constantly growing so there is plenty of room for improvement in Eastern Europe.

Actually, here is the route itself - the RNE corridor 11.

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Old January 13th, 2017, 04:01 PM   #304
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comparing a modernized line for 160km/h with a partially modernized one which contains old sections even not U/C.
Need such example - please, here You go. Slovakia with its 445 km corridor from Bratislava through Žilina to Košice which on 130 km is modernised to 160 km/h, further 50 are in modernisation process right now while remaining 265 km is old line with 120 km/h maximum speed + 100 km/h speed restriction on all stations + other speed constrains on curvy mountainous stretches. Yet despite that it achieves best travel time using loco hauled trains of 4 h and 42 minutes clocking 94 km/h average speed. And of course country doesn't have any kind of proper high speed lines only modernises its present network to allow 200 km/h operations in the future. So You don't need to go to Bulgarian thread to read all today’s sensational newspaper titles to know that BDZ is in bad situation which construction of dedicated high speed corridor won’t solve in any way.
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Old January 15th, 2017, 12:01 PM   #305
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BDZ and plans for the future

Good news, BDZ now has concrete assessments what its problems are and how to tackle them. Bad News, the financing is not clear and lots of the money is to clear debts and lawsuits. Thanks to D461 of DSO for the tip on this article:


Bulgarian Railways needs BGN 849 million (EUR 435 million) to pay off its debts and to carry out the reforms included the 2015-2022 development plan. BDZ Holding is urging the concession of Sofia Airport in order to continue implementing the railway reform, BDZ CEO Vladimir Vladimirov said on Friday, during a news conference on the the company’s operational results for 2010-2016.

According to Vladimirov, delaying Sofia Airport concession award triggers a higher price of the railway reform. The debts of BDZ Holding amounted to BGN 849 million and currently they have been reduced to BGN 445 million. An amount of BGN 150 million is extremely heavy obligation under the Second Debenture Loan where the interest is 8.0 per cent.

BDZ Holding posted BGN 67 million losses, of which BGN 25 million were generated by BDZ Freight and BGN 11 millions by BDZ Passenger Services. Among current issues listed by BDZ Holding are:

the average age of the rolling stock, which is over above 30-40 years old
increased competition in the rail freight market, with eight rail freight private operators gaining market share
the lack of 1133 freight cars from inventory discovered back in 2011
BGN 32 million bad debts to Serbian, Macedonian and Greek railways
poor working conditions in workshops and depots due to outdated facilities
a number of 29 lawsuits with a total exposure of BGN 256 million
outdated railway infrastructure which leads to an average speed of 50 km/h
The concession of Sofia airport will make available BGN 420 million (EUR 214 million), of which BGN 210 million for the acquisition of a batch of 15 new electrical multiple unit trains, followed by another 15 units and capital transfers of BGN 35 million in the next six years. This acquisition is part of the BDZ plan for 2015 – 2022, as well as of the company divisions’ business plans for 2017.

Until 2022, BDZ Holding plans to invest:

BGN 268 million until 2022 for the repair and modernization of the current rolling stock
BGN 5-10 million for improving working conditions in depots and repair workshops
BGN 5-10 million for new information technologies
BGN 2 million for training
in other 87 reform measures
http://www.think-railways.com/bulgar...y-investments/
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Old January 21st, 2017, 07:54 PM   #306
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Do anyone has some wider information’s regarding cars seen on this video?

Those seems to be extremely different from other passenger cars produced/used in former East Europe. Due to unusual windows and especially doors with steps cover (seen in 0:38) I assume that those cars were produced locally. It seems that their code is Bm20-15 and Bm20-47 (supposedly after doors replacement for regular ones). Does anyone has any knowledge who produced them and how the door/steps cover mechanism worked?
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Old January 23rd, 2017, 02:47 PM   #307
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For example the Praha - Ostrava corridor is 356 km long and enables maximum speed of 160 km/h which Pendolino despite 3 intermediate halts are covering in 3 hours achieving 119 km/h average speed. In such case travel from Sofia to Burgas would take only 4 hours! The loco hauled trains achieving only 140 km/h with 10 intermediate stops are covering it in 3h and 30 minutes achieving 102 km/h average speed. Private train operator Leo Express using basically regional Flirt EMUs with 160 km/h maximum speed is covering this distance in 3 h and 10 minutes or 112 km/h average speed. That can be achieved on properly modernised conventional line. And of course Czech Republic is planning HS line but by no means its construction won't start before 2020 and first stage will include basically new line with maximum speed just 200 km/h which will replace present Brno - Prerov single track corridor.
I see on the map below that the HSL you are talking about is from the comprehensive network. This means that if anything happens there, it will not be before 2030, even later. But that is not the main point. If you want to build such a new line between Prague and Brno, you better do it for at least 250km/h (the purple colour implies by the way HSLs for 300km/h but we are not going that far). It makes sense from international point of view, connecting Hamburg/Rostock with Vienna/Bratislava and Budapest through Berlin, Prague and Brno. If you, however, construct the line for only 200km/h, it will be a total waste of money beacuse there is the adjacent, complementary line through Pardubice which is already modernized for speeds of 160km/h. Prague-Brno could also be used in the East-West direction but to a much less extent, because the majority of the trains will bypass completely Czechia from Poland entering directly into Germany.
In other words, EC will hardly provide financial resources to merely duplicate an already existing and relatively fast line.

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/infras...passengers.pdf

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Old January 23rd, 2017, 03:49 PM   #308
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I see on the map below that the HSL you are talking about is from the comprehensive network.....
On this page You will find everything regarding future high speed rail network in Czech Republic including optimistic implementation timeframe:
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Harmonogram výstavby VRT v ČR (optimistický odhad)
2020 – 2025 – modernizace a zdvoukolejnění Brno – Přerov až na 230 km/h [Modernisation and doubletracking Brno – Přerov for 230 km/h]

2022 – 2027 – výstavba VRT Praha – Litoměřice (RS4) [Construction of HSR (300 km/h) Prague - German Border]
2024 – 2035 – výstavba VRT Praha – Brno (RS1)[Construction of HSR (300 km/h Prague-Brno]
There is no point in discussing this further in this thread.
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Old January 23rd, 2017, 04:42 PM   #309
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Alright, you just confirmed what I spotted. Anyway, I'll be glad to see the realization of these HS railways.
Interesting to know you call Austria Rakousko .
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Do anyone has some wider information’s regarding cars seen on this video?

Those seems to be extremely different from other passenger cars produced/used in former East Europe. Due to unusual windows and especially doors with steps cover (seen in 0:38) I assume that those cars were produced locally. It seems that their code is Bm20-15 and Bm20-47 (supposedly after doors replacement for regular ones). Does anyone has any knowledge who produced them and how the door/steps cover mechanism worked?
Looks more like a 20-47 series coach. I don’t find a 20-15 code. We have 10-15 and 20-17 series in Bulgaria. Check this link to a list of BG coaches with photos in the BG Loco Forum:

http://lokomotiv.bg/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2161

Otherwise you’re right. This is a Bulgarian-made coach, which used to be manufactured in our coach and wagon factory in Dryanovo, a town in the Balkan Mountains in Central Bulgaria. It is one of the most popular and widely used coach series in Bulgaria – about 1,000 of them were manufactured between 1970 and 1985. Basically, its design copies that of the ex-DDR “Y” coach but the bogie is slightly different and the window frame is a rectangle with regular instead of rounded corners. In the first couple of years, the doors and toilets had rounded rectangular windows. However, since 1972 all windows have regular corners. Outward-opening bi-folding outside doors began to be installed on the coaches in 1977. Originally they were painted dark green as most of the Bulgarian passenger coaches at the time. From 1977 onward, they were also painted blue with white wings – a pattern that had been a trademark of the Blue Danube Express (Sofia-Russe-Sofia) until then.

Source: http://www.railwaypassion.com/forums...hp?topic=402.0, reply#5
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Looks more like a 20-47 series coach. I don’t find a 20-15 code. We have 10-15 and 20-17 series in Bulgaria.
Thanks for reply and full clarification Referring to car code I was using Railfaneurope page which attributes 20-15 code to two types of cars - one is compartment and other is open plan (can be found under bg flag in section car and subsections express and local). Of course they may be mistaken as this is a train fans site after all
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Thanks for reply and full clarification
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Referring to car code I was using Railfaneurope page which attributes 20-15 code to two types of cars - one is compartment and other is open plan (can be found under bg flag in section car and subsections express and local). Of course they may be mistaken as this is a train fans site after all
It was probably a mistake. 10-15 series are compartment coaches http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/...04_12_2009.jpg, while 20-17 series are open coaches http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/...tanding_on.jpg. Somebody must have mixed them up.

Edit: Btw, the 20-17 series coaches are "tenderly" nicknamed "cattle cars" by the Bulgarian railfans
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Old February 20th, 2017, 08:30 PM   #313
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@roaddor, calm down dude. Neither Richard_P, nor Baron Hirsch were attacking bulgarian railways. You are a bit overreacting.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 06:43 PM   #314
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Overreacting, not at all . If you compare a foreign line and its actual speed with another domestic line without knowing the real consitions... well it's like comparing apples and pears and asking why are both not the same.
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No, you completely haven’t overreacted. It’s fake news, phony stuff,OK. All You really wanted to say was:

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Overreacting, not at all . If you compare a foreign line and its actual speed with another domestic line without knowing the real consitions... well it's like comparing apples and pears and asking why are both not the same.
Conditions in bulgarian railways can be improved and we are all eager to see it happen
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Great information. Thanks.
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Obviously I did not imply that. You are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 12:45 PM   #319
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Is someone able to spot the reintroduction of the overnight train from/to Istanbul?
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 07:21 PM   #320
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More detailed timetables can be found on the website of bdz.
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