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Old July 15th, 2010, 11:43 AM   #101
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The five finalist Designs (from the MEN) until someone gets better images.









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Old July 15th, 2010, 11:57 AM   #102
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The five finalist Designs (from the MEN) until someone gets better images.










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Can't really tell from those initial enders TBH, but my initial thoughts are 1 and 2 yes, 3 not sure and 4 and 5 no. No doubt I will change my mind after seeing the exhibition. Or will I?
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Old July 15th, 2010, 12:14 PM   #103
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In the first image, they seem to have forgotten the small matter of a tram station...

Or is it an option to move it?
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Old July 15th, 2010, 12:38 PM   #104
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In the first image, they seem to have forgotten the small matter of a tram station...

Or is it an option to move it?
No it's there. Under the shadow. You can see a tram. They want to move it further up St Peters Square, so opening up the square infront of the library.

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St Peter's Square designs go on show
15 Jul 2010, 10:28


The five shortlisted designs for the improvement of St Peter's Square in central Manchester were unveiled to a muted response at a private viewing last night.

The exhibition opened to the public this morning in the former visitor information centre behind the Town Hall next to the square and lasts until Saturday.

The identities of the five architects have been kept a secret in the displays and even the judges will not be told, in order to prevent preconceptions influencing their decision. The designs are simply labeled 002, 004, 016, 027 and 032. The invited guests at last night's low-key reception for stakeholders and media muttered comments such as "much of a much-ness" and "little to choose between them". One distinguished office agent simply couldn't wait for the work to take place, commenting: "It doesn't really matter which one, just pick a winner and get it done."

The brief for a largely pedestrianised square - all traffic apart from trams will be diverted in future - inevitably makes the designs similar riffs on expanses of paving, planting and seating. At first glance the few distinguishing features are limited to a sculpture here and novel choice of tree type there. The choice and cost of materials could arguably the biggest distinguishing factor, the paving is such a large feature in every sense.

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New structures are limited throughout the designs with some having no new buildings and others suggesting larger shelters for tram passengers or dodging the Manchester rain.

Arguably the biggest change will be closing the extension of Moseley Street and the resultant enlargement of the pedestrian area: a given set by the planners and not the work of the architects.

The brief includes the creation of a contemporary memorial to the 1819 Peterloo Massacre. The cenotaph will not be affected by the redesign of the square and will remain in its current position.

The winning design team will be selected later this summer and a separate artist appointed to work alongside them to create the Peterloo memorial.

The £20m contract is scheduled to start on site in early 2011 and last 12 months. The contest is part of the civic complex renewal programme that includes refurbishment of the Town Hall Extension and Central Library.
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Old July 15th, 2010, 12:57 PM   #105
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It makes sense to move the tram stop to the north end of the square (if there's room) as if the Cross City Bus scheme goes ahead it will provide better interchange with buses on Princess St.

And obviously open up the square to make a better public space.

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Old July 15th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #106
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the flags in the last one look like polished marble.

tbh they all look very similar. and in all of them it seems the peace gardens are going to be remodelled?
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Old July 15th, 2010, 01:10 PM   #107
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didnt realise they wanted to move the tram stop...good idea..its really intrusive onto the monument space at the moment.
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Old July 15th, 2010, 01:27 PM   #108
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Only the first one moves the stop, though to be honest its a good (if wasteful) idea, moving it to the narrower bit opens up the rest of the square, it will better centralised for the area further from GMEX and mitigate some of the closure of Mosley. Howver rest of the first one is boring and bland to me.

2nd one, cant see a thing a horrible render because of poor lighting and restricted vision of the scheme.

3rd I love, (have they remodled the tram stop to an island platform however?)

4th, again slightly boring (is this the one with the bronze heads?)

5th I like a lot but not quite love, very modern.
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Old July 15th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #109
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Like the flatness of the first one. Certainly opens the square up and gives it much bigger feel.

Moving the tram stop may be costly and it may focus the minds of the judges and the city council.
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Old July 15th, 2010, 01:58 PM   #110
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That the tram stop will move, based on the fact £££ has just been spent improving the existing one....
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Old July 15th, 2010, 04:25 PM   #111
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That the tram stop will move, based on the fact £££ has just been spent improving the existing one....
They need to move either the tram stop, or the monument complex. The current abutment of the one to the other is painful in the extreme.

I would guess that moving the stop would be both easier and cheaper. Plus moving the monument would require a faculty from the diocese and approval from the Commonwealth War Graves commission.

Plus it should then be possible to integrate the tram stop with a cross-city bus stop atop Princess Street.

So I vote for scheme one.
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Old July 15th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #112
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Just got back.

Took pictures of every board and videoed the videos. (will add them today or tomorrow)

There's one 'clear winner'. It's as big as the nose on my face, and that's big enough.

No 1. (as i initially thought) Got speaking to three other people and they prefered No1 as well.

Made my views clear to the City Council staff in attendance, as well as voting for my preferred choice and leaving additional comments on the slip. The last one being.

'Don't make the same mistake as Piccadilly Gardens and No1 Piccadilly.

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Old July 15th, 2010, 06:11 PM   #113
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To be fair given that many things were fixed in the brief (the monument staying put, the removal of the end of Moseley street) it's not particularly surprising that they're very similar schemes as they didn't have much to play with!

1) If the monument is staying put then it probably makes the most sense to move the stop up by the peace gardens. Though it does mean now Oxford Street/Road is even more distant from the metrolink network. This plan however doesn't appear to do much with the square after it's just opened up a lot of space. Just seems to leave it empty and bland, boooooring.

Notice how this drawing appears to use the new version of Century House.

2) Unfortunately we can't see much but I do like the fact they seem to be heavy on tree planting. The last thing this square needs is to be a "modern" wind-swept barren wasteland devoid of life.

What that purple and gold thing at the end is is anyone's guess. We need more.

3) What the hell are the white structures? The paving may work in a relatively dull and lifeless area like Spinningfields but not sure it's so suitable here.

4) Too formal, too dead. Don't appear to know that their using island platform shelters. Why design a path that has the same barrier effect as the roads which have been removed?

5) Why go and suggest a huge shelter when one of the main criticisms of the stop is the impact on the square?! At least the paving is interesting, even if it will look wind-swept in Mancunian weather.

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Old July 15th, 2010, 06:46 PM   #114
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Metrolink stop and 'furniture' to be moved and relocated next to and behind the trees.

St Peter's Square finally becomes a 'square' again. You will see what I mean below.(let's go back in time)

The square is opened up so 'all' the wonderful buildings surrounding it are clearly visible. Was that not one of the main points about redesigning the square?

The paving/stone which will be used is plain york stone. Similar in colour and texture to some of the surrouning buildings.

The lack of unnecessary street furniture and sculptures is a plus point in my book. The novely factor will soon ware of and the cost of maintenance is/will also be a factor. (let's be honest here, MCC don't do water features very well)

The cenotaph should also be given pride of place and a more Prominent view in the new St Peter's Square. It shouldn't be next to or behind trees, street furniture or sculptures.
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As promised. I'll post all the other boards tomorrow. Haven't got time today.

Spot the similarities. If it doesn't need fixing, why fix it? How refershing. Second picture down. Wonderful.



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Errm why does the relocated tram stop on the flow diagrams have two platforms but in the main image and removing barriers diagram only have a platform on the Northbound side?
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Still don't like it. Modern, empty, dead. A space for architects to gawp at buildings and nothing much for anyone else.


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In the main image the other platform appears hidden by the new Century House. (EDIT: I see you're talking about the image on the second page and yes it does seem to have one platform ) The green patch on the removing barriers image is the peace gardens.

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No it's there. Under the shadow. You can see a tram. They want to move it further up St Peters Square, so opening up the square infront of the library.
Well, I did think that might be it, but I was under the impression that moving the tram stop was categorically forbidden. Don't know where I got that from. Anyway, as Che and others have said, it makes sense.
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Old July 15th, 2010, 10:43 PM   #119
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It was impossible to do when traffic was there (otherwise they would have done just that during the city centre refurb I believe), but since its being removed it can be. Of course theyve just spent £200k on the refurb, shelters could be reused I guess.
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Just got back.

Took pictures of every board and videoed the videos. (will add them today or tomorrow)

There's one 'clear winner'. It's as big as the nose on my face, and that's big enough.

No 1. (as i initially thought) Got speaking to three other people and they prefered No1 as well.

Made my views clear to the City Council staff in attendance, as well as voting for my preferred choice and leaving additional comments on the slip. The last one being.

'Don't make the same mistake as Piccadilly Gardens and No1 Piccadilly.
What time were you down there jerbster? I was in around 5:45 and had the exact same experience. When you see all the detail of the five schemes number 1 is the only one that doesn't seem gimmicky. It moves the tram stop, tries to return the square to a single space rather than splitting it up into themed segments and relates to the rest of the city rather than some concept of what the city is (parquet flaws and tartan apparently). I hated the horseshoe Peterloo plaques though. I thought features of the other ones were interesting, but they all seemed to fiddly and full of crap.

I was chatting to the staff for a while and we agreed that presuming that one was practically achievable it was the clear winner (there was some talk about having to close the track and moving it so the stop could move making it unacheivable).
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