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Old January 30th, 2008, 02:09 PM   #1
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EURASIA | Railway Development

(I had thought that there was already a thread on this but it appears not)

The first container

There has been talk of starting this type of service for years, so it is good to see that it has finally happened! 15 days compares very well to shipping and hopefully in years to come the service will be quicker.

Train tests Eurasian Landbridge - Railway Gazette 30/01/08

A CONTAINER train arrived in Hamburg on the morning of January 24 after a 15-day, 9 954 km journey from Beijing through Mongolia, Russia, Belarus and Poland.

The train was a demonstration for the 'Eurasian Landbridge' proposed by the six national rail operators, which have agreed to develop a competitive alternative to sea and air freight between China and western Europe.

'We want to demonstrate that we can get a train like this one to its destination fast, safely and reliably under real-life conditions', said DB Chairman Hartmut Mehdorn at the departure from Beijing.

Regular services could start within a year, and are expected to have a journey time of 15 to 18 days from China to Germany. This would be 'twice as fast as a sea-going vessel' and 'considerably cheaper' than air freight, according to DB Board Member Norbert Bensel, who cautioned that many issues still needed to be resolved, including accelerating customs formalities.

On January 11 DB and Indian Railways agreed to undertake feasibility studies for the development of multi-modal freight logistics facilities serving major population centres in India.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news_v...andbridge.html
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:37 PM   #2
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Could you give more details in the thread? It sounds fascinating.

I guess that this service prehaps won't compete per se with air and sea, but could occupy a nice in between. Air for those who need massive deliveries immediately and thus are willing to pay extra; rail for people that would like it sooner but would rather not pay the steep price of air; sea for people who have shipments prohibitively large and/or do not want to pay the extra expense.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:43 PM   #3
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Euroasian landbridge
Crappy branding -- "they" oughtta figured on some other term, not that one....
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:44 PM   #4
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This will be a good business for eastern-Hungary,because the logistics centre at the hungarian-ukrainen border will be used at almost full capacity. Thank god the USSR used different gauges,and such logistics centres are needed.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 09:09 PM   #5
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Is the transiberian route well maintained to handle the traffic of many trains running through it? And what is the average maximum speed a train can achieve in Russia? (I only ask for Russia because obviously it's the most important country in terms of lenght for the route)
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Old January 31st, 2008, 12:50 AM   #6
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transsib is fully electrified doubletrack line, thus no problem with capacity. Railways in Russia handles 82% of all freight. Maintenance can be better, but funds are needed (and more container trains from china can bring more funds).
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Old January 31st, 2008, 02:33 AM   #7
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hmh, when you connect Chongqing, Chinas "gate to the west" with Berlin/Hamburg on Google earth, the shortest trip looks something like that:

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Old January 31st, 2008, 05:53 AM   #8
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Is there a map of what route this would take?
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Old January 31st, 2008, 07:07 AM   #9
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_6382884.htm
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:24 AM   #10
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Thanks Whiteeclipse.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 11:38 AM   #11
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Actually,it crosses Ukraine,Hungary and Austria too for some reasons
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Actually,it crosses Ukraine,Hungary and Austria too for some reasons
Could those be cargo boxes that say "China" but do not in terms of that exact shipment originate in China?
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Old January 31st, 2008, 06:09 PM   #13
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wow almost 10,000km trip, is this the longest one-way railway trip on earth?
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Could you give more details in the thread? It sounds fascinating.

I guess that this service prehaps won't compete per se with air and sea, but could occupy a nice in between. Air for those who need massive deliveries immediately and thus are willing to pay extra; rail for people that would like it sooner but would rather not pay the steep price of air; sea for people who have shipments prohibitively large and/or do not want to pay the extra expense.
It would have large potential. As I have read it has the potential to be 3 times faster than ship while costing somewhere in beetween air and sea transport. Unlike planes it also has a considerable capacity.

I am not sure if this is only a nice.
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It would have large potential. As I have read it has the potential to be 3 times faster than ship while costing somewhere in beetween air and sea transport. Unlike planes it also has a considerable capacity.

I am not sure if this is only a nice.
The train cuts the time in half compared to sea.
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 07:07 PM   #16
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sooner or later, the whole Eurasien "Continent" will be connected with fast freight railways.
Its just the logical consequence of globalsation.

The east-west and north south connections in the US, that also run transcontinental, will be only a protype for what will come. And India is just about to weak up.

The only thing that hinders is the US militray presence in Afganistan and the isolation of Iran. Sooner or later the whole Eurasien continent will be one huge well-connected area, just like western Europe is today.
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How are they handling the differences in track gauge along the way?

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Old February 4th, 2008, 11:47 AM   #18
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Interesting, though i don't think it can compete with the bulk freight shipping across the oceans.
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Aren't they looking to compete against current container routes that now transit North America (ie, Shanghai <-(ship)-> Los Angeles, CA <-(rail)-> Portsmouth, VA <-(ship)-> Rotterdam) and not bulk services?

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The only thing that hinders is the US militray presence in Afganistan and the isolation of Iran. Sooner or later the whole Eurasien continent will be one huge well-connected area, just like western Europe is today.
I don't think so, not at that extent. Western Europe has a massive mobility market and the countries in western asia are not that populated. I'd say mobility between western and eastern Europe still lacks behind its potential.
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