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Old May 7th, 2016, 11:34 AM   #2041
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...they got the money but neither the knowledge nor the experience to know what its all about.

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Old May 7th, 2016, 01:57 PM   #2043
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true, but architecture is progress. theres still enough historical substance to restore...people like this cause nostalgia is a illusion of the past, a soft pillow to rest on
Why does "progress" have to mean glass and steel?
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Old May 7th, 2016, 02:22 PM   #2044
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Old May 7th, 2016, 02:25 PM   #2045
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Why does "progress" have to mean glass and steel?
That's a very good question. Also, if you look at the architecture between 16th century and early 1900s you'll see that nearly all of our heritage is based upon features, proportions and examples set in the antiquity. Can copying Rome be viewed as progress? 1930s were a very specific and symbolic period for the US and its architecture, it's natural for New York to revive that architecture, even in a very limited capacity, as it reminds the city of its greatness.
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true, but architecture is progress. theres still enough historical substance to restore...people like this cause nostalgia is a illusion of the past, a soft pillow to rest on
IS [the in-time progression of] architecture progress? There's plenty of regression evident in all sorts of things. Are open floor plans and window walls progress? That is VERY subjective and your soft pillow theory is simple-minded.

If something works, there is no shame in revisiting it. There's nothing new under the sun.
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30 park place is a proof that still exists progress about buildings with not 100% glass
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Old June 25th, 2016, 03:48 AM   #2052
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Old July 5th, 2016, 08:11 PM   #2053
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Per Curbed today, the listing for the Four Seasons penthouse is up, asking a relatively affordable $30 Million!

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The three-bedroom pad on the 82nd floor of the building is asking $30 million, and claims that its four terraces are the highest outdoor space in the city.

This full floor penthouse spans 4,426 feet and each of the apartment’s corner terraces are about 19-feet wide and are located at a height of nearly 900-feet, as per the listing. Other highlights in this apartment include 12-foot tall ceilings, custom interiors by Stern, a limestone fireplace, 360 degree views of the Manhattan skyline, and a 27-foot wide master bedroom.

Though located right at the top of this Silverstein Properties-developed tower, Penthouse 82 is not the priciest unit at building. That record is currently held by a half floor penthouse on the 78th floor which spans 6,127 square feet, and is asking $32.5 million. Curbed got a chance to view the NYC skyline from the outdoor space of that penthouse and the other half floor penthouse on the floor in May this year.

Officially known as the Four Seasons Private Residences, many of the tower’s 157 apartments are already in contract, and are located atop a 185-room Four Seasons Hotel on the lower floors. Both will be ready sometime this summer.
Obviously they mean the highest residential outdoor space. Anyway, here are a couple listing photos/renders (a few of them have already been posted here, but worth a refresher):













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Quite affordable indeed! Are the copper covers up on the top now?
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Old July 5th, 2016, 09:28 PM   #2055
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That's a very good question. Also, if you look at the architecture between 16th century and early 1900s you'll see that nearly all of our heritage is based upon features, proportions and examples set in the antiquity. Can copying Rome be viewed as progress? 1930s were a very specific and symbolic period for the US and its architecture, it's natural for New York to revive that architecture, even in a very limited capacity, as it reminds the city of its greatness.
Yeah, but even a person without professional or specialized knowledge in this particular subject can see that this is not a revival, luckily.
Pardon my ignorance, but if it is a revival of the particular style that a lot of people seem to adore so much, I still cannot compare it with the Chrysler building.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 10:01 PM   #2056
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So what is the progress here from an architectureal point of view?
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Old July 5th, 2016, 11:06 PM   #2057
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So what is the progress here from an architectureal point of view?
I wouldn't say it's progress in itself, but rather a stepping stone towards progress. Contemporary architecture needs to free itself from the shackles of modernism and re-acquaint itself with its classical roots. There is no easy way of making this happen, but the most realistic way would be by taking it one step at a time, and 30 Park Place is one of those steps. Hopefully soon we'll be seeing buildings built with full ornamentation and in styles faithful to their predecessors. Only when classicism once again becomes dominant can we hope for any real progress.
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Old July 6th, 2016, 12:03 AM   #2058
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I wouldn't say it's progress in itself, but rather a stepping stone towards progress. Contemporary architecture needs to free itself from the shackles of modernism and re-acquaint itself with its classical roots. There is no easy way of making this happen, but the most realistic way would be by taking it one step at a time, and 30 Park Place is one of those steps.
And 220 Central Park South is another of those steps? Don't you think New York is too valuable for this sort of steps? It takes knowledge to make a building decent, the other thing is quality. I would suggest you to visit the thread we have for "The Fitzroy", you'll find both knowledge and quality over there. You can heavily dislike modernism, but I'm afraid we've reached a point where we shouldn't be discussing taste, but rather quality which some of the recent buildings seem to lack.
Most of the people adore this sort of projects, therefore I'll criticize them because they tend to convince us that they respect the past, but it doesn't look like that to me.
Once again pardon my ignorance.
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Hilarious.

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Until another architect and developer can prove that they can build at the stature of any of Stern's major towers in New York, in the style of architecture that preceded Modernism and Post-Modernism's schism with tradition, no fair comparison is possible. Are there any architects practicing architecture that uses these materials in this fashion at this height in this style? Stern is clearly doing his own style of architecture that attempts to be a further evolution of pre-war architecture using post-war techniques and technology. Whether it's any good or not is a matter of taste, yours and Stern's.

Hopefully another younger architect will be able to further refine and improve upon the architecture that neither discards pre-war architecture or Modernism, and at greater heights. But also keep in mind these big developments are a triangulation between profit, cost, and quality.
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