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Old September 8th, 2014, 05:58 AM   #881
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I can think of so many ways the design could have been 10x better without blowing the budget...
Robert Stern is okay, but he's not amazing.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #882
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LOL!! you are so funny!!..if i well understand, YOU are amazing:i have no doubt about it and as you are famous for glorifying minimalism i am really curious to know about your architecture skills...
For the rest no, Stern is definitely not Palladio,neither is his friend Peter Pennoyer:they are good businessmen designing for wealthy people.
You know like me as a fact that America has a lack of history and neo something here is always appreciated:neo gothic,neo classic,neo baroque,etc...
Seems like the trend right now is neo art deco:well,for many reasons you're not gonna built today a new masterpiece like the Rockefeller center and,about another era,the Woolworth is impressive but it's not the Chartres cathedral!
American architecture is fully original and brilliant because of masters like Green and Green,Lautner,Schindler,Neutra,Quincy Jones,Wright,Johnson,Gehry,Mayne,Holl..sorry for those i don't quote but they are many..
In New York,there are talented architectural firms:Shop,Diller\Scofidio,Cetra ruddy,Selldorf..so many..These are designing seminal works that are shaping NY for the best but who will remember Stern in two decades?..The style he works with is just contingent.

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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #883
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Old September 9th, 2014, 03:54 AM   #884
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I'm not saying it should be minimalist. I'm saying he could have made it look more art deco and better looking without making it much more expensive, hence my opinion that he is not that great an architect.

For example, giving a bit of depth to the facade by extending the columns' facades outwards, so it is not one flat surface. And also hiding any trace of the floorplates.
He could have also cut some grooves into the corners of the first twenty or so floors to make it look more art deco.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #885
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Old September 10th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #886
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Silverstein Showcases 30 Park Place Hotel and Condos
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The 926-foot Robert A.M. Stern-designed building will feature 189 hotel rooms on the first 39 floors and 157 luxury condos leading up to the 82nd floor, including 11 penthouses with outdoor terraces starting on the 75th floor, when it opens in early 2016, according to Silverstein.
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“I think it’s a superb design,” Mr. Silverstein said. “Notwithstanding the fact there are many architects that are available for this type of building, there are few architects who understand luxury like Bob Stern.”





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Its good to have a look of what the East and west side of the facade will look like...Indeed this design really is superb!
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Old September 11th, 2014, 12:03 PM   #888
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LOL!! you are so funny!!..if i well understand, YOU are amazing:i have no doubt about it and as you are famous for glorifying minimalism i am really curious to know about your architecture skills...
For the rest no, Stern is definitely not Palladio,neither is his friend Peter Pennoyer:they are good businessmen designing for wealthy people.
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American architecture is fully original and brilliant because of masters like Green and Green,Lautner,Schindler,Neutra,Quincy Jones,Wright,Johnson,Gehry,Mayne,Holl..sorry for those i don't quote but they are many..
In New York,there are talented architectural firms:Shop,Diller\Scofidio,Cetra ruddy,Selldorf..so many..These are designing seminal works that are shaping NY for the best but who will remember Stern in two decades?..The style he works with is just contingent.
I cannot believe you didn't mention Sullivan! Why, there was an entire era of architecture in America influenced by Louis Sullivan! The man is even considered the father of skyscrapers as well as the father of modernism! You can never talk about America's greats without mentioning the greatest of all architects!
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This is getting ever taller, but still no glass.




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Old September 14th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #890
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The cam zoomed out could get a good look of midtown and Woolworth now... The tower moving along nicely 3 floors last 10 days; its now ~ 574 feet



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It will be a nicer building than the 432 Park Avenue
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Old September 15th, 2014, 03:54 PM   #893
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432 is amazing too. NY's boom is unparalleled.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 04:54 AM   #894
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I love it...Anything that's tall and not primarily glass, and of a quality design I support and hope we get more.
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Indeed! it just passed 600 feet; it's just moving on up
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