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Old April 8th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #1501
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slightly on topic, but I'm glad that there are these Robert A.M. Stern towers going up to offset all the glass towers going up.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 06:02 AM   #1502
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They're taking their sweet time with the cladding.


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Old April 9th, 2015, 07:55 PM   #1503
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But it looks very good. I think this tower is one of the best examples of a modern art deco building done right. In my opinion it lives up to the legacy of the greats of the thirties like the Empire Stete Building, GE building, AIG building and other art deco gems
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Old April 9th, 2015, 08:21 PM   #1504
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This building is GAY?
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Old April 9th, 2015, 09:00 PM   #1505
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Old April 9th, 2015, 09:07 PM   #1506
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Old April 9th, 2015, 10:25 PM   #1507
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But it looks very good. I think this tower is one of the best examples of a modern art deco building done right. In my opinion it lives up to the legacy of the greats of the thirties like the Empire Stete Building, GE building, AIG building and other art deco gems
After watching the facade of this tower climb, my opinion of it has greatly changed. This tower will be a far cry from the towers of the 30s and 40s. The crown and base may end up looking nice, but the main tower portion with precast concrete made to look like Limestone is bland. The main reason for that is a lack of ornamentation on the facade itself and around the windows. For this reason, the towers of he 30s an 40s are art pieces. That being said, perhaps i'm being overly critical, and i will form another, final opinion once everything is done on the tower. 15 Central Park West is very nice, after all.

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Stern himself summed it up pretty well in his interview with the New York Post:
http://nypost.com/2015/04/05/yales-a...ive-de-blasio/

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We looked to the skyline of the city in the 1920s and ’30s which many people, certainly from my generation, remember as a Golden Age. We want to continue that golden age, not reproduce it, but climb on its shoulders.
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Old April 10th, 2015, 02:28 AM   #1508
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Old April 11th, 2015, 06:26 PM   #1509
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I can't express how awesome I find this design. Bravo Stern!
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Old April 11th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #1510
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After watching the facade of this tower climb, my opinion of it has greatly changed. This tower will be a far cry from the towers of the 30s and 40s. The crown and base may end up looking nice, but the main tower portion with precast concrete made to look like Limestone is bland. The main reason for that is a lack of ornamentation on the facade itself and around the windows. For this reason, the towers of he 30s an 40s are art pieces. That being said, perhaps i'm being overly critical, and i will form another, final opinion once everything is done on the tower. 15 Central Park West is very nice, after all.

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Stern himself summed it up pretty well in his interview with the New York Post:
http://nypost.com/2015/04/05/yales-a...ive-de-blasio/
Wow, the ESB sure has a masterpiece of a facade 30 Park doesn't reach that level of sophistication, however I think that it isn't bad either. Besides, from afar any ornamentation is essentially invisible to the naked eye
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Old April 11th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #1511
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I think 30 Park will be quite nice but not quite in the category some have it BECAUSE of the relative lack of ornamentation. I really wish they could if not been all limestone use something less pedestrian than precast concrete. At least from all I read the upper portions should be in limestone, which I hope is correct. Yeah, I think that when it's ready to open it will really look good but yeah it is definitely at least shade less than truly iconic. But it ain't crap, by any means!
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Old April 11th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #1512
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I think the material isn't the issue. Concrete can be just as beautiful as limestone if properly mixed. It's more that it might have had a little more ornamentation consiodering it is a modern version of an art deco building, but even without this ornamentation, this building is still a masterpiece, among the best architecture in the world
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Old April 11th, 2015, 11:53 PM   #1513
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Never realized that 30 Rockefeller had such beautiful surface finish. Now that is a masonry facade. Stern definitely doesn't intend for his buildings to reach the level of ornament of the 30s. They're modern creations that reconnect to the continuum of architecture. Like a Jaguar F-Type does with an E-Type. Better to judge it when the finishing details are put in. But so far, it can stand up to secondary classics like 500 Fifth avenue, not the heavy hitters like ESB.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 12:54 AM   #1514
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Whether you like his designs or not you have to admit it's a nice break from all glass buildings.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 09:43 AM   #1515
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No doubt 30 Park is one of the better developments and thankfully it isn't a glass oriented building. Some had it originally as an iconic structure in the making but whether it be the lack of much ornamentation, not emphasizing the limestone or not having the right mix of concrete it suffers a little in comparison to true masterpieces like ESB and Rockefeller Center's true art deco brilliance. It doesn't copy but takes inspiration from the art deco past and gives it a modern twist and it's still going to be well liked and regarded and I'm glad to see it near exterior completion in the Lower Manhattan skyline. I think what hateman says will prove most accurate, that it ranks just below the best as a secondary classic. We'll see when the exteriors are done but so exciting to see it up already and it's a broken record I know but goodness we've got so much to be excited about throughout the city on buildings going up and in the planning stages!
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Old April 12th, 2015, 10:16 PM   #1516
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Old April 13th, 2015, 03:40 AM   #1517
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Honestly, pictures don't really do it justice. It looks sooo much better than I originally thought it would, and I think the material will age well. I'm really excited for them to finish the facade at the top.


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Old April 13th, 2015, 09:42 AM   #1518
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Old April 14th, 2015, 03:41 AM   #1519
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After watching the facade of this tower climb, my opinion of it has greatly changed. This tower will be a far cry from the towers of the 30s and 40s.
It's more like something from the 80s

By the way, those buildings are from the 20s, and 30s. By the 40s there was no more art deco, but instead buildings like the UN Building and the Lever House were being designed.
Very few skyscrapers actually rose in the 1940s, anywhere.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 03:46 AM   #1520
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