Buffalo Bills to play 8 Games in Toronto

[smokiboy]

Originally Posted by casanova

Skydome can't be expanded to 70,000 for an NFL game. If the NFL moves into Toronto, Skydome would just be a temporary venue that would be used in the meantime until the new stadium gets built, just like the Toronto Raptors. Skydome's 60,000 seat capacity is not enough to meet NFL regulations for long term franchises, they want 80,000 minimum seat stadiums.

BMO Field can only be expanded to a 30,000 seat stadium. That's not big enough for an NFL franchise.


Toronto WILL GET a new stadium out of this. There's no doubt about that.

I don't see how Toronto can support another major stadium that would presumably be suited only for NFL games. What other uses/tenants/functions, that can't be handled by Skydome or BMO Field would this new stadium have? In the end an 80,000 seat stadium would be a waste of space that would be empty 80% of the time ... and probably a waste of taxpayer’s money as well. (because we all know who foots the bill in the end.)

I think the NFL will surely see the benefits of coming to Toronto and playing in 60-65,000 seat Skydome. Just to name a few benefits; 6th largest urban area in North America, huge marketing potential, high disposable incomes, etc...

[Canadian Chocho]

Originally Posted by smokiboy

I don't see how Toronto can support another major stadium that would presumably be suited only for NFL games. What other uses/tenants/functions, that can't be handled by Skydome or BMO Field would this new stadium have? In the end an 80,000 seat stadium would be a waste of space that would be empty 80% of the time ... and probably a waste of taxpayer’s money as well. (because we all know who foots the bill in the end.)

I think the NFL will surely see the benefits of coming to Toronto and playing in 60-65,000 seat Skydome. Just to name a few benefits; 6th largest urban area in North America, huge marketing potential, high disposable incomes, etc...

[Taller, Better]

Fifth largest (not including Mexico), but who's counting?

[allurban]

Originally Posted by Sixrings

itll be downtown somewhere to please the business crowd.... Well raise a stink but im sure the government will contribute something.

hmmmm...how about the site of the Island Airport?

Let the movers and shakers decide which one is more important to them...planes and business travel, or football and corporate boxes/seats....

Cheers, m

[gei]

Originally Posted by casanova

Skydome's 60,000 seat capacity is not enough to meet NFL regulations for long term franchises, they want 80,000 minimum seat stadiums.

BMO Field can only be expanded to a 30,000 seat stadium. That's not big enough for an NFL franchise.

Toronto WILL GET a new stadium out of this. There's no doubt about that.

This thread never ceases to amaze me. People just completely fabricate facts to support their arguments. I really think this thread should be locked and restarted... the amount of misinformation in here is staggering.

The RCA Dome, where the Indianapolis Colts play, holds 61,000 people. Soldier Field, where the Chicago Bears play, holds 61,500.

The BRAND NEW Lucas Oil Stadium, opening in 2008 to replace the RCA Dome, will only hold 63,000. This is a brand new venue, and the NFL has no problems with its size.

Now where in the world did you pull that 80,000 seats figure from?

I'm willing to bet that the SkyDome can be easily renovated to hold more than all of these venues. For reference, the SkyDome has already held nearly 70,000 people during the wrestlemania events it has hosted. Of course this is much smaller than an NFL field, but just goes to show you the potential is there.

Originally Posted by smokiboy

I don't see how Toronto can support another major stadium that would presumably be suited only for NFL games. What other uses/tenants/functions, that can't be handled by Skydome or BMO Field would this new stadium have? In the end an 80,000 seat stadium would be a waste of space that would be empty 80% of the time ... and probably a waste of taxpayer’s money as well. (because we all know who foots the bill in the end.)

I think the NFL will surely see the benefits of coming to Toronto and playing in 60-65,000 seat Skydome. Just to name a few benefits; 6th largest urban area in North America, huge marketing potential, high disposable incomes, etc...

Excellent point. Even though I think we could support an 80,000+ seat stadium, I also don't see the need for it. The Rogers Centre holds more than enough people, and is in a perfect downtown location. I see no problem with hosting an NFL team there long term.

[urban 2.0]

[Filip]

[Sixrings]

toronto is suppose to lose 50 mil this year simply by missing the molson indy. if that is true how much business would the nfl bring the city of toronto.. If you think it might bring an extra 50-100 mill a yr to the city in tourism why would you be against the government spending 200 mill to help build the stadium. In 4 years thearetically wed make that money back in tourism our 6th largest industry.

[Taller, Better]

Sixrings is right. This city has to do what it has to do to drum up business and tourism. Playing some weak "nationalism" card by keeping out an American football league when we already have other American leagues here seems arbitrary and hypocritical. Why does no one consider that if the CFL actually got onboard, and became part of the team bringing the NFL to Toronto, that they might actually benefit? The increased interest in football might even spur interest in the moribund Argos? Is it beyond imagination that both teams might exist and succeed? What happened to the logic that there is no room for small thinking in a big city? Why are we assuming that the CFL will crumble and fail? I should think it is obvious that the status quo of the Argos in Toronto is not good enough for anyone.. so why don't we explore different avenues of enhancing the CFL? Berating Torontonians and telling them they should go to Argo games out of national pride seems a bit futile.

[koolio]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

Sixrings is right. This city has to do what it has to do to drum up business and tourism. Playing some weak "nationalism" card by keeping out an American football league when we already have other American leagues here seems arbitrary and hypocritical. Why does no one consider that if the CFL actually got onboard, and became part of the team bringing the NFL to Toronto, that they might actually benefit? The increased interest in football might even spur interest in the moribund Argos? Is it beyond imagination that both teams might exist and succeed? What happened to the logic that there is no room for small thinking in a big city? Why are we assuming that the CFL will crumble and fail? I should think it is obvious that the status quo of the Argos in Toronto is not good enough for anyone.. so why don't we explore different avenues of enhancing the CFL? Berating Torontonians and telling them they should go to Argo games out of national pride seems a bit futile.

QFT.

[Taller, Better]

Originally Posted by koolio

QFT.

What does QFT mean?

[koolio]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

What does QFT mean?

The "F" in the middle of "Q" and "T" should give you an indication as to why its used as an acronym.

[Taller, Better]

What does the Q and T stand for? Sorry to be obtuse, but I have never seen that before!

[gei]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

What does QFT mean?

http://www.google.ca/search?q=qft

"It is also used - in the form of the slightly-altered "quoted from truth" - to express agreement with a previous poster's statement and validate its veracity."

[Taller, Better]

ahhh!! ok, thanks... I can never figure out half of those acronyms!

[koolio]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

What does the Q and T stand for? Sorry to be obtuse, but I have never seen that before!

LOL, I was just playing with you. As someone already mentioned, QFT most certainly means "quoted for truth". However, it wasn't too long ago that I didn't know what it meant either. At first encounter, I thought that it was supposed to be an insult (partially because of the "F"; the context in which my post was quoted).

[Taller, Better]

ahhh.... mystery solved. Learn something new every day!

[smokiboy]

What effect would a loss of the Bills have on Buffalo? Or more accurately suburban Buffalo. I think that suburban stadiums/arenas have a less positive economic effect on cities than do downtown stadiums.

[gei]

Buffalo already has plenty of setbacks. If you read some of the Bills forums, some people actually say the Bills are the only thing left keeping them in Buffalo. I don't know exactly what effect the bills leaving will have, but it obviously won't be a good one.

[Sixrings]

buffalo will almost surely be financially crushed... All they will have left is a new sabres arena... the nhl is 4rth on the list of sports relevance to the united states. Infact soccer could probably bump nhl into the 5th spot with everything the nhl has done to loose credability lately (OLN hockey lol) I understand Buffalo is a hot spot for hockey but the fact that it cant support a Bills team is going to be devestating and its going to be obvious to even the drunken red necks that the city has nothing to offer other then a dreamed up waterfront proposal...