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Old August 19th, 2008, 09:26 AM   #121
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It's not that bad spliff O.K. it lacks variety but so do many parts of London. Ever been to Fulham? Road after road of identical terraces - pleasant enough but dull none the less.

The Roger's element will certainly not be cheaply built - the market this is aimed at won't tolerate that. Personally I like the detailing here, but like you hoped for something more exciting.
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Old August 19th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #122
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Look at the bright side of it, a huge socialy mixed development, low segregation and a clear footprint.
Where do you rich people leaving along less wealthy ones?
All over London, the Victorian traditions and house prices these last 20 years mean rich, middle class and poor sharing considerably. Every new development also has 30-50% affordable housing by law. In short: everywhere.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 08:29 PM   #123
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Old August 26th, 2008, 08:18 PM   #124
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...evelopers.html

Supermac's grandson battles developers
The Earl Of Stockton – the grandson of Sir Harold Macmillan – has returned fire in the increasingly bitter Battle of Chelsea Barracks.


Mandrake, by Tim Walker with Christopher Lamb
Last Updated: 6:32PM BST 23 Aug 2008

Along with other residents who live close to the prime London real estate that has been acquired by the millionaire developers Nick and Christian Candy, he is aghast at Lord Rogers's plans to put up 320 flats in high-tech blocks which will sell for £10 million and upwards, and 320 more "affordable" flats in drab blocks next door.

"I will fight you with all my strength to take away this piece of Candy from our children and grandchildren," the former Tory MEP has just declared in a strongly-worded letter to the local council.

The Candy brothers' plans, which will be considered by Westminster Council's planning committee on September 4, have already come under fierce attack by several other prominent residents of Belgravia and Chelsea, including the Duke of Westminster, whose Grosvenor estate it abuts.

The developers are accused of cramming more onto the site than is reasonable to make up for having paid £1 billion for the land, failing to provide a proper park as the council wanted and "segregating" the affordable homes behind a barrier of trees.

Somewhat over-egging it, perhaps, the Earl adds that the proposed scheme amounts to an insult to the memory of the young men who left Chelsea Barracks to fight for their country and did not return.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 08:33 PM   #125
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God. Why don’t these people just curl up and die! Seriously, the development isn’t the most amazing thing I have ever seen but it looks and reads like a solid well thought out proposal, the sort of attention to detail of the wider impact sorely missing from most housing estates. I can only therefore conclude that anything but a giant garden just for the complaining residents would licit the same level of hysteria...

"I will fight you with all my strength to take away this piece of Candy from our children and grandchildren," the former Tory MEP has just declared
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Old August 27th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #126
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He's certainly in very dodgy territory invoking the memory of the soldiers that used to live on the site. And he's botched his little pun, surely - taking candy from a baby isn't normally something to boast of.

I think the criticism that the "affordable" section of the scheme is segregated from the rest is a fair one, however. Ideally it would all be mixed up together, though given the sorts of prices the Candys will want to ask, I guess they'll be keen to pander as much as they're allowed to whatever snobbish instincts their target market may suffer from.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 02:00 PM   #127
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A garden? It's right next to the Royal Hospital Gardens and The Chelsea Physic Garden - plus if the Earl has enough strength left from preventing 320 affordable homes being built in one of the richest parts of the country, Battersea Park is a short and pleasant walk across Chelsea Bridge.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #128
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Chelsea Barracks’ luxury blocks should be scaled down, says Westminster Council
16:59 | 29.08.08
By David Doyle

Luxury apartment blocks in the proposed redevelopment of Chelsea Barracks should be scaled down, the first planning report into the scheme has said.

Westminster Council’s planning officers in a steering report published yesterday raised concerns over the height of some of the residential buildings because of their impact on the site’s neighbours.

The plans, put forward by Project Blue, a joint venture between Qatari Diar and Christian Candy’s CPC, have been fiercely opposed by the Belgravia Residents’ Association and the Barracks Opposition Group because of the size and design of the super-prime apartment blocks.

Significant issues

‘In terms of the impact of the proposed development on residential amenity, there are clearly significant issues regarding reductions in daylight and sunlight to habitable rooms, overlooking, and a sense of enclosure,’ the report said.

The report says the development’s impact on properties at Ranelgah Grove, Bloomfield Terrace and in the Gatliff Buildings, Chelsea Gate Apartments and Wellington Buildings, should be lessened by a reduction in height of the apartment blocks.

However, the report also said that ‘it must be acknowledged that a high density development in an urbanised area is unlikely to be carried out without some impact on adjoining occupiers.’

Opposition

The plans for Chelsea Barracks, which was bought from the Ministry of Defence for £959m in February this year, should also provide more park space and a primary care facility.

The plans have been opposed by English Heritage, which objects to the demolition of a chapel in the site and the impact of the development on the Grade II listed Royal Hospital complex.

The Greater London Authority has welcomed the scheme, praising the design as ‘exceptional’ but the Grosvenor Estate and the Westminster Society have both objected to the design of the scheme.

There has also been 77 letters of objection from local owners and occupiers submitted to the council.



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Old September 4th, 2008, 01:03 PM   #129
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Chelsea Barracks scheme to have public sports complex
Amar Singh, Evening Standard
04.09.08

This is the multi-million-pound community sports centre which will form a major part of the Candy brothers' plan for Chelsea Barracks.



Their proposal for Britain's most expensive housing development will be formally presented to Westminster council's planning committee tonight.



The scheme met opposition from some Belgravia residents, including the Earl of Stockton - grandson of ex-prime minister Sir Harold MacMillan - who lives in Warwick Square.

He is so outraged by the design of the 638 flats in the project that he described it as an "insult to the memory of the young men who fought for their country".

But the property developers hope the additional community facilities they are creating as part of the £1 billion scheme - at a cost of tens of millions - will help secure them approval.

The £40 million community sports centre will include a six lane, 25-metre swimming pool, a four-court sports hall, climbing wall, dance studios and exercise equipment.

A spokesman said residents would not get priority access to the facilities, which would be built "100 per cent for the public". It is likely they will be run by the local authority which will set their opening hours and prices.

There will also be a large multi-purpose community hall, a supermarket, a children's playground, landscaped gardens which can be accessed by the public and about 300 new trees.

At the Belgravia end of the development there will be a boutique hotel with two restaurants, a day spa and shops. The private housing will also be concentrated at this end of the four-acre site.

Meanwhile, affordable homes are planned for the north-east side of the development, close to Ebury Bridge Road. The sports centre will also be in this area.

The site is owned by Project Blue, a joint venture by Christian and Nick Candy's CPC Group - which also owns the One Hyde Park development in Knightsbridge - and the Qatari Diar Real Estate. Architects working on the barracks said the 14 main buildings will fit seamlessly into the landscape and are inspired by flats in nearby Sloane Court.

They will be covered by coloured copper panels designed to blend in with the surrounding areas. Christian Candy said: "This site offers an opportunity to deliver one of the most important regeneration projects in London." But in a letter to Westminster council Lord Stockton describes the proposals as "an abomination".

He says the social housing element of the scheme is reminiscent of "the blocks of flats which surround every eastern European city", claims the scale of the proposals is out of keeping with the surrounding area and bemoans the lack of open space.

"This plan is a blot on the landscape," he wrote. "I shall fight you and do all I can to take this particular Candy away from our children and grandchildren."
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At an indication hearing on Thursday night, Westminster City Council’s planning and development committee suggested it would support the wider 638-home development, with members unanimously praising the proposed sports centre’s six-lane swimming pool, sports hall, climbing wall and dance studio.

Committee chairman, councillor Alastair Moss, also commended the rest of the luxury project’s design, adding that the “bold style” and the use of “excellent materials” offered an “appropriate response” to the council’s brief.

This follows criticism from neighbouring council, Kensington & Chelsea, whose architecture panel described the scheme as a “gated community”, as well as opposition from local residents, who attended the hearing in force.

Moss said: “The design, as backed up by Cabe, as backed up, importantly, by the mayor… and as recommended by officers, is broadly acceptable. A bold style, using excellent materials, that is carefully thought through is an appropriate response.”

But the committee agreed that certain elements of the proposal needed to be reworked to improve local amenity and open space.

“As well as being beneficial to the look and feel of the area, we propose that more open public park space should be provided which is accessible and well-managed,” Moss said.

"The developer also needs to address the concerns of local residents so that the well-designed new buildings do not overpower their homes by blocking their light and views through their height and bulk."

But two committee members, Lee Rowley and Angela Harvey, slammed the designs, claiming they were not appropriate to Westminster.

Christian Candy from developer Project Blue, today welcomed the committee’s comments, adding that the firm would look at the modifications sought.

“We are pleased that the comments expressed by last night’s planning steer meeting are - in majority - favourable towards the scheme, particularly those stating that the masterplan approach is appropriate and offers scope for a scheme of considerable merit,” he said.
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Old September 8th, 2008, 02:18 PM   #131
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Demolition in full swing - needs an upgrade to the Construction Forum.


http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/n..._barracks.html

Candy brothers deny split from Rogers Stirk Harbour's Chelsea Barracks


Developers the Candy brothers have told the AJ 'there is no truth' in reports that the Qatari ruling family, a joint-venture partner on the £1 billion Chelsea Barracks development, wants to take full control of the project.

According to the Sunday Telegraph, Qatari Diar Real Estate wants to seize the Rogers Stirk Harbour + Partners (RSHP) and Allford Hall Monaghan Morris' (AHMM) designed-scheme from the Candys, leaving them as 'marketing managers and interior designers'.

It has been alleged that the Qataris have been unhappy with the progress of the controversial scheme, a 5ha luxury apartment development overlooking Hyde Park.

The rumours come just days after the RSHP and AHMM proposals for the former Ministry of Defence site received a lukewarm response from Westminster City Council's planning steering committee.

One councillor said the scheme must be careful not 'overpower' nearby homes 'by blocking their light and views through their height and bulk'
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Listing threat to Chelsea Barracks development
12 September 2008
By Helen Pow

English Heritage has dealt a new blow to Rogers Stirk Harbour’s controversial Chelsea Barracks scheme by recommending a Victorian chapel on the site be listed at grade II.

The 1857 chapel, designed by George Morgan in an Italian romanesque style, is close to the Ranelagh Grove end of the site. Its listing would force the architect to amend designs for one of its seven luxury apartment blocks.

It would also encroach on the scheme’s public open space, something Westminster City Council is keen to maximise.

The news follows strong opposition from local residents and neighbouring borough Kensington & Chelsea, as well as reports that investor Qatari Diar is considering splitting from Candy & Candy.

The two firms form the Project Blue consortium, which is developing the scheme.

In a report to architecture minister Margaret Hodge, English Heritage said: “This is a good example of an institutional chapel which compares well to listed examples of barracks, hospitals, prison and asylum chapels of the period. It is relatively unusual for its romanesque-byzantine style.”

It added that the chapel, which is the only remaining building from the original barracks, was an “important physical reminder of the military presence in Chelsea”.

But despite concerns over the amount of public open space offered, Westminster council is broadly supportive of the 638-unit scheme.

At a steering meeting last Thursday councillor Alistair Moss, chairman of the planning and development committee, praised the design of the scheme adding that the “bold” style and use of “excellent” materials were appropriate responses to the brief.

“We can see that there are excellent elements to these proposals which will provide impressive community benefits,” he said.

“The design, as backed up by Cabe, as backed up importantly by the mayor… and as recommended by officers, is broadly acceptable. A bold style, using excellent materials, that is carefully thought through is an appropriate response.”

But two committee members, Lee Rowley and Angela Harvey, slammed the designs, claiming they did not fit within the fabric of Westminster.
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Demolition in full swing
Certainly is - I was watching the diggers chomping away at the low-rise blocks this morning from a flat across the road - it's all clearly so flimsily built that demolition is remarkably quick. Not sure how they're going to do the towers, though - no scaffold up yet. I wonder if they're far enough away from other buildings etc that they might, exceptionally for London, blow 'em up?
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Old September 12th, 2008, 08:04 PM   #134
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Hey Downfallen, BD has used one of your photo's to illustrate the spot-listing of the Victorian Chapel on this site.
I hope they pay you - I'm sure if you send them your name and address....ah.....hang on.



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Not double-posting again!
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If he didnt have permission to take photos and be on the site then they dont have to pay.
When I sell my photos of buildings on stock photography websites I have first to remove signage (HSBC sign from HBSC building for example.).
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I suspected as much. Good to see BD check out SSC regularly.
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Bah wrong thread.
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Candy & Candy could mothball Chelsea scheme
building.co.uk

03 October 2008

By Joey Gardiner

Developer wants to slash affordable housing

Candy & Candy could freeze the £1bn redevelopment of its Chelsea Barracks site unless planning conditions are relaxed.

Nick Candy, the developer’s co-founder, said it had been “far too generous” so far in the planning settlement it had offered to Westminster council for the luxury scheme. The firm is now working on a revised planning application for the 638-flat development.

When asked if he was thinking of lowering the 50% affordable housing ratio to make the scheme viable, he said: “Yes. There needs to be a reality check.”

According to Candy, the Qatari ruling family is financing the project, so it is not suffering from funding problems like other major regeneration schemes are.

He added that the nature of the funding meant the investors did not need an immediate return.

“I don’t need to build this – I’m happy to mothball it,” he said. “The Greater London Authority needs to realise it is in the privileged position of actually being able to build something during the credit crunch.”

Candy & Candy is famous for its range of housing for the ultra-rich, including One Hyde Park in Knightsbridge, which includes the first flat in London to be sold for more than £100m.

The Chelsea Barracks scheme, which has been controversial because of its size and Rogers Stirk Harbour + Partners design, was last month sent back to its designers by the council to be reduced in scale or set further back from the road. Sir Robert McAlpine and Bovis are vying to build the project.

Candy also admitted the firm had frozen its Noho Square scheme in central London, because of lack of finance.

Candy has denied reports that th
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This thread needs upgrading to the Construction Forum - demolition is well underway on the old Barracks.


I had a look at Make's Grosvenor Riverside buildings now that two of them are nearly complete - and I must say I was very impressed. The buildings have a massive quality about them - created by the generous scale and depth of the balconeys and ground floor arcade, this is unusual in a residential development in London and sets this development apart from others that I've seen.







The quality of the cladding is excellent, with a burnished metallic finish and an etched "shadow" cast across the panels as an imaginative decorative detail.







Superb, I've wondered how Make's designs seem to sail through planning without a hitch - but if this is the quality of the finished product let's have more of them, terrific!
They also have another building U/C next door but I haven't seen any renders yet. Anyone got any?





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