North Liverpool - the focus of future regeneration.

[Neilsatiscitycentre]

I think what adds to the north south divide is that Liverpool as a city is bottom heavy ie most of Liverpool is south of the city centre. Go less than 4 miles north of the the city your are already in Bootle. The social and economic problems of north Liverpool are the same as those of neighbouring communities in parts south Sefton. I suspect that having 2 authorities, perhaps with different agendas or ideas, tackling the same issues, rather than just one, doesn´t help one bit.

[paulmac35]

Originally Posted by Neilsatiscitycentre

I think what adds to the north south divide is that Liverpool as a city is bottom heavy ie most of Liverpool is south of the city centre. Go less than 4 miles north of the the city your are already in Bootle. The social and economic problems of north Liverpool are the same as those of neighbouring communities in parts south Sefton. I suspect that having 2 authorities, perhaps with different agendas or ideas, tackling the same issues, rather than just one, doesn´t help one bit.

make that 2 miles down Derby Road Neil from Dale Street.

[the golden vision]

Originally Posted by paulmac35

make that 2 miles down Derby Road Neil from Dale Street.

About right Paul, 2 miles to Bank Hall, which though officially in the City of Liverpool,is actually classed as Brutal Bootle by dem der locals.

[eyeam]

Originally Posted by the golden vision

About right Paul, 2 miles to Bank Hall, which though officially in the City of Liverpool,is actually classed as Brutal Bootle by dem der locals.

Liverpool/Merseyside is very strange in that respect.

In Greater London for example, somewhere like Croydon is far more of its own town than Bootle is, yet, most people from Croydon would just say they live in "London" when asked by an outsider.

Same with the numerous small towns that make up outlying parts of Greater Manchester- the locals will often just say they live in "Manchester" thus giving the popular opinion that it's a far bigger city than it is in reality.

[paulmac35]

Originally Posted by the golden vision

About right Paul, 2 miles to Bank Hall, which though officially in the City of Liverpool,is actually classed as Brutal Bootle by dem der locals.

Yep think it’s because it has the L20 postcode. This let me tell you is not a great one when it comes to getting you’re car insured these days!

[the golden vision]

Originally Posted by eyeam

Liverpool/Merseyside is very strange in that respect.

In Greater London for example, somewhere like Croydon is far more of its own town than Bootle is, yet, most people from Croydon would just say they live in "London" when asked by an outsider.

Same with the numerous small towns that make up outlying parts of Greater Manchester- the locals will often just say they live in "Manchester" thus giving the popular opinion that it's a far bigger city than it is in reality.

Misunderstanding there, it's a Kirkdale/Bootle thing not Bootle/Liverpool. Bank Hall's actually in Kirkdale but the locals regards it as Bootle.

[the golden vision]

Originally Posted by paulmac35

Yep think it’s because it has the L20 postcode. This let me tell you is not a great one when it comes to getting you’re car insured these days!

No paul, L20 goes up past Fountains rd, it's the rail line cutting through Kirkdale that splits the two communities.L20 ends around Lambeth rd where L5 starts.

[paulmac35]

Originally Posted by the golden vision

No paul, L20 goes up past Fountains rd, it's the rail line cutting through Kirkdale that splits the two communities.

and i know Kirkdale shares the Bootle BT telephone dialing codes. 922, 933 and 944.

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by the golden vision

Misunderstanding there, it's a Kirkdale/Bootle thing not Bootle/Liverpool. Bank Hall's actually in Kirkdale but the locals regards it as Bootle.

It's basically a part of Bootle in the city council area. Likewise, near me, there are areas which are essentially Cantril Farm but in the city council area. It's officially West Derby, but really, it isn't.

[Awayo]

How is Bootle different to Liverpool, other than being under a different council?

Anyway, yesterday I took a 'walk' on Streetview around the Oxbridge streets in Bootle. And got very annoyed. Bloody New Heartlands!

[the golden vision]

It's not Bootle/Liverpool difference it Kirkdale/Bootle. People the town side of Bank Hall identify more with Scotland rd or Kirkdale,north of Bank Hall ,Bootle, they are different communities.Steve Mcmanaman is from that part of Kirkdale(town side) in the press it often says Bootle, if you asked him,he'd give a categorical answer.....Kirkdale.

[Awayo]

Fair enough. Makes sense. I discovered not long ago at a family funeral I had to sadly attend that one of my ancestors was known within the family as 'Bank Hall Bessie'. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to know any more than that.

[the golden vision]

Sounds great that gives me an excuse to mention Bank Hall itself. It stood at the bottom of what is now Bank Hall, on the foreshore,built around 1400, it was a large "keep" type building, battlemented top, owned by i think it was the Moore family,demolished in the 19c unfortunately.

[the golden vision]

Bank Hall,demolished in the 1850's to make way for Canada Dock.

[Neilsatiscitycentre]

Bet you Wayne Colquhoun´s great grandfather threw a wobbler about it.

[Neilsatiscitycentre]

Originally Posted by eyeam

Liverpool/Merseyside is very strange in that respect.

In Greater London for example, somewhere like Croydon is far more of its own town than Bootle is, yet, most people from Croydon would just say they live in "London" when asked by an outsider.

Same with the numerous small towns that make up outlying parts of Greater Manchester- the locals will often just say they live in "Manchester" thus giving the popular opinion that it's a far bigger city than it is in reality.

Nail on head there. For a city which was open to the world for such a long time, I cannot help thinking that our parochialness is now holding us back, and stopping us from punching our weight. One solution? Change the boundaries to include the contiguous bits.

[TommyMogan]

Originally Posted by Neilsatiscitycentre

Nail on head there. For a city which was open to the world for such a long time, I cannot help thinking that our parochialness is now holding us back, and stopping us from punching our weight. One solution? Change the boundaries to include the contiguous bits.

Sefton to Formby, all Knowlsley and the north Wirral should be inside Liverpool city. Southport (who requested to be in Merseyside) and St.Helens stay out.

[JohnnyLeigh]

Originally Posted by eyeam

Liverpool/Merseyside is very strange in that respect.

In Greater London for example, somewhere like Croydon is far more of its own town than Bootle is, yet, most people from Croydon would just say they live in "London" when asked by an outsider.

Same with the numerous small towns that make up outlying parts of Greater Manchester- the locals will often just say they live in "Manchester" thus giving the popular opinion that it's a far bigger city than it is in reality.

The manchester comment is just wrong.
People in Leigh, Wigan, Bolton, etc, wouldnt say they lived in Manchester.
Most people here still put Lancs on their address!

[JohnnyLeigh]

Manchester is in a similar position to Liverpool though, places like Wigan & Bolton are quite happy about the city region idea because they aren't threatened by it, they are distinct places - while the southern boroughs, which pretty much are part of Manchester, are very territorial about it.

The boundaries need fixing, its grossly unfair that Manchester and especially Liverpool are so balkanised.

[buggedboy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLeigh

The manchester comment is just wrong.
People in Leigh, Wigan, Bolton, etc, wouldnt say they lived in Manchester.
Most people here still put Lancs on their address!

This is true. I've mentioned before that one of the key reasons that BBC Radio Manchester gets terrible ratings is because most of its potential listenership don't identify with "Manchester".