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Old March 25th, 2008, 06:08 AM   #21
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I have to agree with you. I don't think we should try and 'mimick' styles from previous eras but we should use details to create beautiful designs. We can't keep building structures that become eyesores after a few years. There is reason behind the insanity of classic design.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 07:11 PM   #22
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You know what would REALLY show their hope to build a better relationship with Germany? Is if the US payed to rebuild the palace that once stood there. With a lot of US hatred right now the security doesn't suprise me either.


The last U.S. Embassy at this place was in "Palais Blücher". In 1941, when the U.S. steped into WW2, Switzerland managed diplomatic affairs for the U.S.

The "Palais Blücher" was destroyed by the east German government, because it was located in the death strip just beside the Berlin wall.

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Old April 1st, 2008, 04:28 AM   #23
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They always have to build modern crap like this. Do people not enjoy the graceful beauty of Gothic or classical style buildings?

It seems the US is exporting its chiefly utilitarian style of architecture that I see whenever I cross the pond. At least it wasn't designed by Frank Gehry or Renzo Piano, as its so popular to do so these days.
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Europe pretty much invented the "Modern Crap" and the "Utilitarian" style of Architecture. American architecture would be Georgian
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Old April 1st, 2008, 09:31 PM   #24
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Europeans also invented Georgian architecture, as well as classical, art deco etc etc. its just the time of construction rather than continental derived style.
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 11:19 PM   #25
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Old April 24th, 2008, 03:23 AM   #26
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Old April 24th, 2008, 04:05 AM   #27
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Very European design, it wouldn't work in a U.S. city but it looks good where it is. It fits well between ultramodern and old designs that are prevalent in Berlin. Maybe not a great design in everyone's opinion but. . . .
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Old April 24th, 2008, 04:16 AM   #28
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Fugly. And WTF is an American building doing so close to the Brandenburg Gate. There should be a German museum or something.

I protest.
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Old April 24th, 2008, 04:21 AM   #29
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I walked past the US embassy when i was in Berlin. No cars could get down the road because there was massive concrete slabs on the road, and also the entrance was heavily guarded. I think its a great symbol of America, they act that bad and treat other countries so shit that they have to have these precautions.
Oh no, big bad America treats you like shit? I'm no fan of US but this kinda whiners is also kinda funny.

I have no problems with Americans and their security measures as long as their simplistic eyesore structures are far away from anywhere that matters and well hidden, like an industrial park or something.
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Old April 24th, 2008, 05:04 AM   #30
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It's ugly.

What do they mean by a "warmer, fuzzier" US and how is that signified by this building?
It's just the location, right?
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Old April 24th, 2008, 05:16 AM   #31
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Fugly. And WTF is an American building doing so close to the Brandenburg Gate. There should be a German museum or something.

I protest.
Maybe because if America hadn't come to Europe's defense during WWII there would have ever been a Brandenburg Gate? Instead Germany would have remained in control of most of Europe.
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Old April 24th, 2008, 12:57 PM   #32
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So there wouldn't have been a Brandenburg Gate if Germany had remained in control of Europe?

Anyway, the design and location stink. The Pariser Platz (ie the square next to the Brandenburg Gate) is supposed to be one of the centers of Berlin yet it'll now be full of policemen and road blocks. Wouldn't surprise me if you were arrested for taking pics in that area.
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Old April 24th, 2008, 01:08 PM   #33
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I'm the last person to ever stick up for United States policy -- but you cannot deny that the US has had a truly involved relationship with the city of Berlin. After the Allies (including my country Australia) fought against Nazi Germany in WW2 -- there was generally an enourmous amount of compassion and sympathy for former enemy and the hideous division of a their society.

Aside from that -- I thing the placement of the US embassy so close to the gate is wrong -- not for politcal reasons -- but in regards to urban planning.

I am aware that buildings once came should to shoulder with the gate in the past -- but it was not until I visited Berlin last year that I realised how close they were. The gate should have had the space around it maintained after the wall fell --- it allowed the Gate to stand on it's own. The buildings so close to it dramatically diminish its effect. I found the Brandenburg Gate itself spectacular from Tiergarten-- but from Unter den Linden its extremely underwhelming.
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That's what Albert Speer had planned. He would have even removed the "Torbauten" from the gate:

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So there wouldn't have been a Brandenburg Gate if Germany had remained in control of Europe?

Well since the entire city (and country for that matter) would've been under one person's control their would've been no need for gate between the sections.
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There was no need for the gate in the 1910s, 20s etc either. It's a relict of the 18th century.
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Well since the entire city (and country for that matter) would've been under one person's control their would've been no need for gate between the sections.
The gate was over 150 years old when the city was divided.. .
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The gate was over 150 years old when the city was divided.. .
True, but the historical importance of the gate developed when the city was divided. Before that the only historical importance it had was its age.
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So there wouldn't have been a Brandenburg Gate if Germany had remained in control of Europe?

Anyway, the design and location stink. The Pariser Platz (ie the square next to the Brandenburg Gate) is supposed to be one of the centers of Berlin yet it'll now be full of policemen and road blocks. Wouldn't surprise me if you were arrested for taking pics in that area.
It's Germans fault for letting this.
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