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[SuttonBluenose]

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[Nacho]

New car park for Eastside ?

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/n...name_page.html

[Guilbert53]

Originally Posted by Nacho

New car park for Eastside ?

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/n...name_page.html

I am not sure we should be encouraging people to drive into the city centre.

[Brummyboy92]

Why not? I think the idea of a car free city is ridiculous, at least the proposals not for a multi story.

[Erebus555]

I think my opinion is stuck somewhere between Brummyboy and Guilbert (maybe leaning more to Guilbert). I agree that people shouldn't be encouraged to drive into the city centre but I think driving to the city centre is still a reasonable option. There are people travelling from miles and miles to do major shopping trips or business meetings etc. who will find public transport inconvenient, for whatever reason.

Depending on where this new car park is to be located, I don't have much of a problem with it as it is in a peripheral part of the city centre. But I do think we should gradually discouraging cars away from the city core towards the Middle Ring Road.

However there will always be instances where cars within the city centre are necessary. In that case, clean travel should be encouraged and I'm glad to see that the council are already making moves with the installation of charging points for electric cars.

[Guilbert53]

Originally Posted by Brummyboy92

Why not? I think the idea of a car free city is ridiculous, at least the proposals not for a multi story.

Nobody is suggesting a car free city centre.

However the easier you make it to drive and park somewhere the more people will go to it by car.

Oxford discourages cars into its city centre and has park and ride schemes on the outskirts. Birmingham could do the same.

[SimonTheSoundMan]

I doubt you would see any cars from the city centre. You'll access the car park from near the end of Curzon Street, the car park would be under the station itself running under the platforms.

[Brummyboy92]

People prefer convinience though, as long as it is done correctly I don't see a problem with cars being equally catered for as well as pedestrians. Besides the motor car is a huge part of Birmingham's history. And who wants to park outside of the city centre to jump on a bus, train, tram whatever? I know I would'ent, if I am going shopping and I buy a lot, I dont want to be having to get on a bus etc just to get back to the car. The city would not be a city without cars either, imagine New York without roads and cars? (Not that I am comparing Birmingham to New York) It would loose a certain feel.

[GrAfiK_248]

I think your reason behind it is because Birmingham retail centre core is still relatively small - in the future, Birmingham will expand with a larger retail, business core and become a lot more busier with more people, more cars. Your opinion may become like 'oh the centre is far too busy, I rather not drive into the centre and get caught up in traffic and be late for something'.

My friends who work in London, park at Wimbledon to catch the underground to work in central London. If Birmingham had the transport infrastructure (metro) to the edges of the ring road and beyond, there be no need to use the car. Plus prices are expensive when you park in centre, walk a little.

[Nacho]

Originally Posted by Brummyboy92

The city would not be a city without cars either, imagine New York without roads and cars? (Not that I am comparing Birmingham to New York) It would loose a certain feel.

Remember Bb that only 25% of New Yorkers own a car .

[SuttonBluenose]

The designs I have seen, which i have since lost somewhere in the abyss of my computer, show just over 1,200 spaces in this new car park, and also another new car park where the current overground one is at moor street.

[GrAfiK_248]

Anyway, someone made the point that, "the issue is probably all those wanting to park and catch high speed train to London and Europe. Think Bham airport parking!"

[Typhoon2000]

we're really quite limited on Park and Ride in this city and it's something that needs more development.. Northfield and Selly are heavily used and Longbridge is often full. And I'm pretty sure that International is never quiet. Certainly, areas without train stations, there's no excuse for not using bendi-buses (and yes they do work, on the right routes). In fact, I was shocked that Chelmsford (Gt Baddow area) even have this set up - and that's in a county where the car is king!

[nigeman]

Originally Posted by Nacho

New car park for Eastside ?

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/n...name_page.html

With the talk of Albert Street car park being redeveloped, the rest of Masshouse possibly coming soon replacing car parking, all the ground car parks currently near Moor st due to go , potential start of student accomodation on top of the car park at Lancaster Gateway, some replacement car parking needs to be at least in the planning.
On top of that HSR2 would be a massive international station, requiring a substantial car parking element. I'm amazed how little car parking is being proposed.

[Spread]

News from EGI:
Eastside masterplan revised for arrival of HS2
Lisa Pilkington 19/12/2011 09:00


Birmingham council has unveiled its vision for the proposed High Speed 2 terminus in the city's £500m Eastside regeneration zone.

Designed by Glenn Howells Architects, the proposed terminus and lines into the station will cut across the 420-acre Eastside site, rendering original proposals for the area redundant.

A revised masterplan for the entire site went before the council on 14 December. Key changes within the masterplan include the design of the HS2 station and entrances via New Canal Street and Park Street, along with a new Station Square to aid passenger circulation.

It also considers how sites overlooking Eastside City Park can be developed prior to HS2.

The £33bn HS2 route runs from London to Birmingham.

[Spread]

Another one from EGI which should go in the HS2 thread but it is locked:
Eastside masterplan revised for arrival of HS2
Lisa Pilkington 19/12/2011 09:00


Birmingham council has unveiled its vision for the proposed High Speed 2 terminus in the city's £500m Eastside regeneration zone.

Designed by Glenn Howells Architects, the proposed terminus and lines into the station will cut across the 420-acre Eastside site, rendering original proposals for the area redundant.

A revised masterplan for the entire site went before the council on 14 December. Key changes within the masterplan include the design of the HS2 station and entrances via New Canal Street and Park Street, along with a new Station Square to aid passenger circulation.

It also considers how sites overlooking Eastside City Park can be developed prior to HS2.

The £33bn HS2 route runs from London to Birmingham.

[markmcd1976]

Any images?!?

[sefton66]

shit pic, was trying to get BCU campus but was a bit slow to get my phone out

image hosted on flickr

IMG_0479 by sefton 66, on Flickr

[Typhoon2000]

Originally Posted by GrAfiK_248

My friends who work in London, park at Wimbledon to catch the underground to work in central London. If Birmingham had the transport infrastructure (metro) to the edges of the ring road and beyond, there be no need to use the car. Plus prices are expensive when you park in centre, walk a little.

hence the reasoning behind my argument that the tram should be extended down Hagley Road to an M5 Parkway in future, perhaps providing a link to the airport as well. Having said all this birmingham city centre would need to experience some serious growth in order for such expansion (or dreams) to become viable.

[BhamJim]

Originally Posted by Typhoon2000

hence the reasoning behind my argument that the tram should be extended down Hagley Road to an M5 Parkway in future, perhaps providing a link to the airport as well. Having said all this birmingham city centre would need to experience some serious growth in order for such expansion (or dreams) to become viable.

I agree in part, but I think Birmingham and it's commuters are very much more coming in from the East/South East. The Airport/NEC and a 'Parkway' somewhere near the M6/M42 junction would be more beneficial and therefore a bigger priority. A later, further Parkway out on the hagley Road/M5 would admittedly also be beneficial if possible.