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Old February 5th, 2008, 06:50 PM   #1
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HUNGARY | Railways

Hungary's rail services in disarray as key union restarts strike
4 February 2008

BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) - Hungary's rail services were in disarray Monday as a key union restarted a strike to press its demand for higher wages.

The open-ended strike by the Independent Railway Workers Union began Friday but was suspended for the weekend.

Only a handful of trains were running on schedule in Budapest and its suburbs on Monday, forcing thousands of commuters to use bus services and other means of transportation.

Services in the countryside were also affected, with train stations in the larger cities mostly empty.

The union representing around 25 percent of the 36,000 employees of MAV, the Hungarian State Railways, said it would continue the intermittent work stoppages until achieving a 10 percent raise and a one-off payment of 250,000 forints ($1,440) for its members.

The union claims rail employees are owed the lump sum after the government pledged to share the proceeds from the January sale of MAV Cargo, the rail company's shipping subsidiary.

MAV Cargo was sold for 400 million euros ($593 million) to Austrian national railway OEBB.
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Old February 5th, 2008, 10:42 PM   #2
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Correction: Strikes are common since the gov tried to suspend passenger traffic on secondary lines. Now they want 10% raise and a share from the price of MÁV Cargo...the company is heavily subsidized(and owned by the gov) by the taxpayers,so I want to see them knocking on the door tomorrow paying back the money I paid for the service they are denying from the population.

And MÁV Cargo was sold to the consortium of ÖBB and ROeEE(ROeEE is owned by Austria and Hungary).
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Old March 13th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #3
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HUNGARY | Railways

A little history:

The first classic railway line in the country was built in 1846,
on the left bank of the Danube. It was the Pest-Vác section of the Pest-Vienna line,
approximatelly 34 km. Construction in the country quicly advanced,a 99km section
Pest-Szolnok was inaugurated in 1847. At that time,private companies built the lines,
because operating them brought huge profits to them. Last remainder of these times is the
ROeEE company(Raab-Ödenburg-Ebenfurter Eisenbahn,or GySEV,Győr-Sopron-Ebenfurt Vasút),
operated jointly by Hungary and Austria. The company is doing well,it is constantly
taking over lines from the hungarian national carrier,MÁV,as it operates them with profit,
unlike the national carrier. The company currently operates a few hundred kms of lines.
But back to history...after the unsuccessful revolution against the Hapsburg rule,
the pace of construtions accelarated even more. By 1867,there were about 2300kms of
railways in the country. The predecessor of the national carrier was founded about these
times,about 10 years after the Compromise(1867).Private companies soon after were encouraged
to join the national carrier,and the Transportation Ministry also bought every bankrupt
private company.By the end of the century, both carriages and locomotives were manufactured
locally,and many were exported.

By the WWI,there were 21200kms of railways in the country,of which overwhelming majority
were operated by the national carrier.By this time,there were 1600 stations on the network
,and 1600kms of narrow-gauge lines were also operating in the country.


(termeszetvilaga.hu)

After WWI,the rise of motor vehicles presented a great challenge for railway carriers.
Private and public train operators simply choose the easier way,became bus operartors.
GySEV,MÁV,etc,all combined forces,and set up MÁVAUT,the ancestor of VOLÁN bus company.

1932 is the end of private companies,the state nationalized them all. In the same year,
the first electrified railway line opened: Budapest-Hegyeshalom. By 1949 the company was
so deep in the state,that it was part of the transportation ministry. At these times,
grand plans were devised,which included a railway half-ring in the country,but not much
of these plans were realised. By 1959, the company started to decline,the branches of the
network were closed.

Modernisation programme "diesel" was started in 1960,but because of the oil crysis,it
quickly turned into "electricification" programme in 1974. By 1990,28% of the network
was electrified.

After the regime changed in 1990,the market was liberalized,the national carrier also
turned back to a regular company. Private companies also appeared,the first in 2004.
These dont own infrastructure,only rolling stock. MÁV also changed,it was broken up
into parts. First,into MÁV Cargo and MÁV Start,then MÁV Strat broke into MÁV Start,MÁV
Trakcio and such,each representing a branch,like locomotive,maintenance,etc. MÁV Cargo,
the only part was was realising profit,was sold to ÖBB last year.

The first newly built line after 1990 was inaugurated in 2001. It is between Zalalövő and
Bajánsenye,and it connects the country to Slovenia. Twist of fate,that its almost the
same as an old closed line which was closed previously...

There are currently about 7600kms of railways in the country,not counting the ones operated
by GySEV,BKV and most narrow-gauge railways. Out of this,about 7300km is standard gauge.
The list of the infrastructre owned by MÁV doesnt end here. The company owns most of the
stations too.


The network,wider lines are electrified lines.

The network's allowed speed ranges from less than 60 to 160. The most important lines allow 120km/h,
or even more,while the rest is somewhere between 80 and 100. Only remote lines are in such dispair,
that trains must go very slowly. Only exceptions are stations,where the infrastructure is not
suitable for high speed,most of them allow only 40-80.


(index.hu)

That said,MÁV is in a strange state. It has an enormous demand for passanger traffic(150 million
/year),yet it doent bring profit. Most of these passangers are entitled to reduction,including
students,pensioners,and workers of the company and their relatives. MÁV Cargo transported
about 42 million tonnes of goods in 2006, of which about 20% was transported on either the
Sopron-Kelebia (Austria-Serbia) or on the Hidasnémeti-Záhony(Slovakia-Ukraine) routes.

The rolling stock is owned by different branches of MÁV. Locomotives by MÁV Trakció, passanger
carriages by MÁV Start,freight carriages by MÁV Cargo,etc. MÁV Start owns about 3200 carriages.
This is the most "developing" part of MÁV,as this branch received several new units in the
previous years. MÁV Cargo will also receive new carriages,as part of the deal with ÖBB.


The most common locomotives of MÁV:

M41
M41 is the diesel workhorse of MÁV. It was designed for medium weight passanger consists.
107 was built for MÁV,and 7 for GySEV,and some were exported to Greece and Tunisia. It was
built during the 70's. In 2002,35 were modernised with Caterpillar engines. They are stationed
all over the country,serving non-electrified lines. They are nicknamed "Clanky"(after the noise
of the engine),and the modernised ones "Rattler"(lighter sound of the engine).


M43 and M47
M43 is the yard lcomotive of MÁV,but some other private companies operate them also. There are 79 in the flet of MÁV.
Its stronger brother is the M47,of which there are only 30 in the possession of the company.
M47 is nicknamed "Dacia",and M43 "little-Dacia",both are references to the producer,Romania.


M44
M44 is the yard locomotive of MÁV in the biggest numbers. There's about 150 of them in the country,of which about 130 is operated by MÁV
Over 900 were built of it,every company that needed railways to transport its goods had some.
Many were exported to Yugoslavia and the soviet republics. Its called "Bo-Bo",after its wheel-order.


M62
The M62 "Szergej",nicknamed after the producing country,Russia,is the heavy duty diesel locmotive of MÁV.
There's 89 of it,whicis about 1/4 of its numers during its "golden age".34 of them were modernised with Caterpillar engines.


BZmot
The BZmot is of Czechslovak origin. There are 207 of them in the country,serving the remote lines of the network.
These were purchased in the 70's and 80's. Due to the poor performance of Skoda engines,Máv first
tried to modernise them with RÁba engines,but the final ones built into them were MAN engines.
They serve different purposes on these remote lines. Some are just ordinary consist,but some are
"Inter-Pici"s,meaning "Inter( City) Small". They also need seat reservation,but the reservations also valid on the normal
ICs,so these are basically brances of the IC trains.
Inter-Pici and normal BZmot


V43
The V43 "Szili" is the electric locomotive of MÁV,there's about 380 of them in the country.
They got their nickname after their silicium-based regulator,which's licence was bought
from "the West",as the soviet designers didnt think the locmotive would be good for the soviet
railways,so they refused. The prototype was built in Germany,but the rest in Budapest. GySEV also
operates these locomotives.
The V43 was modernised twice. At first time,some were enhanced so that they could be remotelly
controlled. Second time some were adapted to used german control carriages,bought in 2007.


V46
The V46 is an electric yard locomotive of MÁV. All 60 of them is owned by the company. They were built in the 80's.


V63
The V63 is the most powerful electric locomotive MÁV owns. They were built between 80 and 88. There's 52 of them.
These monsters are nicknamed "Gigant",and are used for pulling heavy freight and passanger trains.
In 1992,10 of them were refitted for 160km/h use,and the tests of the ETCS were also carried out with these trains.


Stadler Flirt
The stadler flirts are new trains of MÁV. There will be 60 of them in the country by the end of this year.
Stadler built a factory at Szolnok as part of the contract,so some of them will be built here after it becomes operational.
All of the trains serve suburban lines around Budapest.



To be continued...


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Old March 13th, 2009, 02:57 PM   #4
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Nice history and info...I love Kelleti station, it feels like a true hub for international travel in the classic sense.
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dont forget the desiro, the taurus and the talent
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Old March 13th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #6
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Nice thread, the last picture is awesome!

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A little history:
That said,MÁV is in a strange state. It has an enormous demand for passanger traffic(150 million /year),yet it doent bring profit. Most of these passangers are entitled to reduction,including students,pensioners,and workers of the company and their relatives.
I don't know any country where the passenger railways are completely profitable.

But I do know a bit about the situation in Germany and in the Netherlands. In both countries, the railway network has been divided into two parts:

1. Profitable services. In Germany, these are the IC services run by DB Fernverkehr (and InterConnex), in the Netherlands these are the main lines (hoofdnet) run by Nederlandse Spoorwegen.

2. Non-profitable services. In Germany, these are the S-Bahn, RegionalBahn (RB) and RegionalExpress (RE) services. In the Netherlands these are the branch lines (contractsector). The non-profitable services are subsidized by the local government, which often awards these services to a privatized operator in a tender. Therefore, these are the lines where multiple operators are active: NS Regio, Arriva, Syntus, Connexxion in the Netherlands; DB Regio, NordWestBahn, Metronom, S-Bahn-Berlin, RegioBahn, EuroBahn, Prignitzer Eisenbahn, ...

You have to remember, however, that the profitable services probably wouldn't be profitable at all without the connecting regional trains.

All in all, I think this is quite a good model. It is very clear which services are profitable and which aren't. The profitable services aren't subsidized. And because of the tender mechanism, the non-profitable lines are run as cost-effectively as possible, and exactly to the wishes of the local government.

Edit: This model could be useful in Hungary too. For example, the local governement could then reactivate lines like Veszprém - Lepsény if they want to.

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dont forget the desiro, the taurus and the talent
There are not as much of them as of these,so I'll leave them to the "modernisation" part.
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MÁV Cargo transported
about 42 million tonnes of goods in 2006, of which about 20% was transported on either the
Sopron-Kelebia (Austria-Serbia) or on the Hidasnémeti-Záhony(Slovakia-Ukraine) routes.
I don't understand. How can be so much cargo transported from Hidasnémeti to Záhony or in other words from Košice to Ukraine via Hungary? There is direct and much shorter connection Košice - Čierna nad Tisou/Chop.
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I don't understand. How can be so much cargo transported from Hidasnémeti to Záhony or in other words from Košice to Ukraine via Hungary? There is direct and much shorter connection Košice - Čierna nad Tisou/Chop.
Maybe this is a result of the Serbia-Slovakia/Ukraine and Ukraine-Austria route merging between Nyíregyháza and Miskolc,but I dont have official explanation...
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Old March 13th, 2009, 10:48 PM   #11
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The list of new vehicles doesnt end with the Flirts. There are a couple of Desiros,Talents and Bpmot-s too. MÁV also ordered 25+25
Traxx locomotives from Bombardier,though these will only enter service sometime arond 2010. The company also received a few
russian vehicles as part of their debt repayment.
Regarding coaches,MÁV boughts 300 used german vehicles to replace the aging fleet.The company also reconstructed 10 old
coaches to 3rd generation ICs,while other 185 are planned to be reconstructed. MÁV also ordered the reconstruction of 46
old Bhv coaches,which are used on suburban lines.

Talent

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Desiro


Bpmot


3rd generation IC coach:

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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=826
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ÖBB started running Railjets between Budapest and Vienna at the end of 2008. Railjet near Déli Terminal:

(indohaz.hu)

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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=797 (videos)
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MÁV also ordered some "nostalgic" coaches,to be used on the Bruxelles-Budapest-Istanbul route,though there are no more news
about them than the announcment of the project


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=258

To be continued...

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Desiros

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There are a couple of Desiros,Talents and Bpmot-s too.
To be more specific...

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In 2005 The Hungarian National Railway (MÁV) orderd 23 diesel railbuses from Siemens for the Budapest-Esztergom line. The 23 Siemens Desiro railbuses replaced all the earlier vehicles on this line. MÁV recently added 8 Desiros to it's fleet, bought used from Greek National Railways, making it a total of 31.






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russian vehicles as part of their debt repayment.
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The Hungarian National Railway (MÁV) orderd 20 railbuses from the russian Metrowagonmash Co. a few years ago with the same reason as the new Talents and FLIRTs.

But these railbuses operate not just around Budapest, but several parts of Hungary as well.

It has an interesting nick, among the workers of the National Railway. they call it Putyin...

The RA1 railbuses:





Also recently MÁV ordered a central wagon for every train-set.
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Some other railbuses from the region of Budapest

The earlier Czech Bzmot railbuses were rebuilt and air-conditioned by MÁV, Hungarian railways.

Earlier...





And Today... A different world...









Other pics of the solo InterPicis (Comes from the commonly used InterCity, but "pici" means small, tiny in Hungarian):









Interior, 1st class:

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Talents

MAV bought 10 Talents from Bombardier for EUR 44m in 2006.

The trains are adjusted both to the Austrian traction of 15kV - 16,7Hz as well as 25kV – 50Hz AC.

My pics from Budapest's Southern Railway Station: One of Hungarian State Railways (MÁV) new TALENTs.















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About the Locos...

Beside the recently ordered 25+25 Bombardier TRAXXs, MÁV earlier bought 10 Siemens Eurosprinters (aka Taurus).



The other Hungarian Railway operator, GYSEV uses a huge number of 5 from these locos...

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Stadler Flirt
The stadler flirts are new trains of MÁV. There will be 60 of them in the country by the end of this year.
Stadler built a factory at Szolnok as part of the contract,so some of them will be built here after it becomes operational.
All of the trains serve suburban lines around Budapest.

Flirts via mobile phone at Déli pályaudvar...

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Modernisation programme started as soon as the regime changed in 1990. The first line to be reconstructed was Budapest-Hegyeshalom (goes to Vienna). Its the only line in the country to allow 160km/h traffic. This is the line where ETCS was first tested.

Since then, more projects started,though only with the entry into the EU,because of the availability of EU funds. These are the following:

Reconstruction of the Northern Railway Connector

(by tersyxus)
This project was initiated by MÁV. The old bridge was bombed to oblivion by the allies,so the russians had to build a new bridge to conenct the city(and the east) to the coal mines of the Pilis mountain,so they've built a temporary bridge,which lasted for over 50 years. The bridge allowed only 10km/h or so speed,so it was a majory bottleneck on the network in its northern parts. The reconstructed bridge allows 80 km/h now,but was designed for 160.




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"Lotz"-hall in Keleti
The "Lotz"-hall,nicknamed after its designer,is a recently reconstructed part of Keleti Terminal.

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The construction of the "new" station at Ferihegy airport inrtroduced an alternative transportation method for the people using the airport. The proect was nothing big,as a majory line goes right beside the airport.

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to be continued...


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