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Old June 16th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #201
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Old August 18th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #202
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Old December 30th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #203
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Are there any plans for HSRs in HU? I mean 200+ lines? It would make sense, because HU is one of the flatest countries in Europe.

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Old December 30th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #204
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I highly doubt it - it's not quite rich enough for it plus there is only one large city in the country.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 03:48 PM   #205
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The fact that the country is flat does not automatically mean HSR makes sense, at first you have to take a look at the population numbers. Something that would definitely make sense is increasing Vmax on the Budapest-Hegyeshalom-Vienna line up to 200 km/h or even 230 km/h since it's connecting the two by far biggest cities in the region plus regional centers like Györ.

Are the concrete plans for such a connection? Not at all, even though the EU would highly subsidies such a project.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #206
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Yes, I meant the corridor Budapest-Vienna. It is true that HSR to Ukraine/Romania/Serbia would be a waste of money.

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Old December 30th, 2012, 05:20 PM   #207
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What about Budapest - Gyor - Brastislava - Vienna?
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Old December 30th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #208
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What about Budapest - Gyor - Brastislava - Vienna?
Well, that would be great, but I think that Bratislava and Vienna are too close to each other to build a HSR between them, plus it would be unnescessary delay to ride through Bratislava's curves(there is no way to make the track straight since it runs through the city, only way would be an expensive tunnel which is extrmely uneconomical for Slovakia, it was planned but cancelled because of the cost), I would rather aim to integrate Bratislava into network/corridor Budapest-Bratislava-Brno-Prague-Dresden-Berlin or Budapest-Bratislava-Brno-Prague-Pilsner-Nurmberg-Frankfurt, but it would require the czech railways to build a whole new track Brno-Svitavy because of the Blansko curves, where the trains travel at 70kph and less. Trains between Prague and Brno are very busy, used by natives, trains between Brno and Bratislava are used even more. Plus, the track Komárom-Brno could be(except the Bratislava part) upgraded for relatively small cost, since it is extremely straight and the Brno-Břeclav part meets all the requirements for 200kph already. Plus, the corridor could be used and will be used by the Railjets from Prague to Graz through Vienna. However, the czechs are aiming rather to modernise the 3rd corridor through Budejovice and the corridor to Ostrava. They know that people will use trains to Brno because there is no alternative since the D1 motorway is in very bad shape, plus its reconstruction is scheulded to start this year(2013) so the travel time for car and bus will be near infinity between Prague and Brno and they have with their shitty services a monopol there.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 12:34 AM   #209
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Are there any plans for HSRs in HU? I mean 200+ lines? It would make sense, because HU is one of the flatest countries in Europe.
There are no plans for HSR lines.


Summary of railway developments this year:

Major rehabilitation works:
- Budapest- Esztergom suburban railway line 43 km
- Budapest - Székesfehérvár line near completion(upgraded to 160 km/h, going to be equipped with ETCS L2) 63 km
- Szajol - Püspökladány(part of Budapest-Debrecen line) rehabilitation works started (160 km/h, ETCS L2) 67 km
- Gyoma - Békéscsaba (part of Corridor IV) rehabilitation works started (160 km/h, ETCS L2) 37 km

Rolling stock:
- Gysev ordered 4 Flirt EMUs from Stadler
- MAV and Gysev launched joint tender for 42+6 EMUs recently
- MAV launched inhouse development of new IC coaches called IC+(vmax 200 km/h)
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Old December 31st, 2012, 06:36 PM   #210
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Is Budapest - Esztergom line going to be electrified? What will be maximum speed?
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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:23 AM   #211
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Is Budapest - Esztergom line going to be electrified? What will be maximum speed?
Line will be electrified around 2015-2016, though the catenary poles are being installed in this phase on some sections. Maximum speed will be 100km/h, succession can be reduced to 15 min, and a second track is going to be built between Aquincum and Pilisvörösvár. Cost of the reconstruction is €258 million(first phase).

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Old January 1st, 2013, 05:08 AM   #212
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I'm surprised given the problems that been going on in Hungary.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 11:25 AM   #213
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even if the situation was politically and economically ideal (not to mention the fact, that the state railway company is THE single biggest sinkhole in terms of corruption and inefficiency) HSR would still only make sense on a short section

and it isn't the Vienna direction!

Budapest's airport is located on the eastern side of the city, between two important lines (both lines are electrified, dual track and serve the eastern county capitals /all but 2/)

these two lines have a combined InterCity traffic of about 15-20k passengers per day per direction

therefore, the only HSR that would make any sense, is a line connecting Budapest with the airport and the towns Cegléd/Szolnok: some 70 kms, alignment for true high speed, constructed for 250 kph at first and with RailJet/Flirt rolling stock (160-230 kph)

such a line would cost no more than the current renovations do (especially if you consider the cost of corruption), and it would shorten the travel time between Budapest and all but two of the eastern county capitals (Szolnok, Kecskemét, Szeged, Békéscsaba, Debrecen, Nyíregyháza) by 15 to 45 minutes, it would mean a direct connection between all these towns and the airport, and it would free up some capacity on the conventional lines that could be allocated to the commuter trains


but as things stand, we will probably sooner have a ring-railroad around Budapest at a hideous cost for no god damn mf-ing reason whatsoever
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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:24 PM   #214
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Basically agree. The line Bp. Nyugati - Cegléd is heavily used and needs additional capacity urgently. And the new 3rd and 4th rail tracks should not necessarily be built right aside of the two existing ones, an airport-connected line would be pretty useful.
However, I don't think a speed of 230-250 km/h is really needed. In such short section this high speed does not make huge time save, and building criteria are much stricter, consequently construction is much more expensive than, let's say, for 160 km/h.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:27 PM   #215
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The line Budapest - Esztergom is seriously overweighted and needs capactiy increase, it's right. I'm not sure about the need of electrification, but it may be useful as well.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:31 PM   #216
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we are talking about the M4 corridor, completely level terrain.... why not reflect the long term goals and select an almost straight alignment?

since this would be a brand new line, the amortization period would run out in 2045-2050, I think 250 kph on that time scale would not be *overkill* even if at first it would only have Flirts on it with IC configuration and a top speed of 160 kph or maybe 200 or maybe RailJets with 230

but you are right, the time savings alone would not justify a line like this, however this line would later also serve *all* eastern HS directions, including: Újvidék, Belgrád, Arad, Temesvár, Nagyvárad, Kolozsvár, Brassó, Bukarest; Kijev, Moszkva, Isztanbul, Athén....so maybe the shovel work should reflect that
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:27 PM   #217
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"Budapest rail bypass study complete"
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Old January 25th, 2013, 08:36 AM   #218
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let's pray to Dog that it remains a study

for a 300*10^9 huf pricetag we could do _all_ of these things:
- build a tunnel from Kelenfold to Nyugati including a new Hbf under Deak square: both allowing for almost all S-bahn, IC and EC services to become non-stop/non-change and call in the heart of the city, AND relieve capacity on the bridge in question between Kelenfold and Ferencvaros
- rebuild the Szolnok-Hatvan-Vac railway which is already electrified but is very crappy and in theory should also be able to relieve a lot of capacity on the East-West freight rout given the Vac-Pozsony 2x2 main railroad is already there and was before Trianon the main connection between Budapest and Wien
- connect Ferihegy Airport to the network
- rebuild at least the main stations inside Budapest
- probably there would still be some left-over to pay for a few Siemens Viaggios
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Old January 25th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #219
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Really? I think this is a fantastically logical idea.

It relieves the congested main line that cuts through Budapest, which is good for passenger trains, and it improves the scheduling of freight trains.

In addition, it does not result in the loss of any marshalling yard capability given that it will connect with the marshalling yard at Szolnok. From Szolnok, all sorts of ongoing connections can be made.

Meanwhile, the Ferencvaros marshalling yard, hemmed in by Budapest itself, can be closed and the land redeveloped.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:41 PM   #220
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It relieves the congested main line that cuts through Budapest, which is good for passenger trains, and it improves the scheduling of freight trains.
if you look at the maps carefully, you'll notice, that NEITHER lines would be complemented at the RIGHT junction: the western line would be reached at Bicske and the eastern line would be reached at Ceglédbercel, as if there were a wormhole from there on: if there is any need for additional capacity, the need exists on the ENTIRETY of these lines, so this theoretical V0 should reach around from Győr to Szolnok....

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In addition, it does not result in the loss of any marshalling yard capability given that it will connect with the marshalling yard at Szolnok. From Szolnok, all sorts of ongoing connections can be made.
no, most freight originates or terminates IN or near Budapest, not Szolnok

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Meanwhile, the Ferencvaros marshalling yard, hemmed in by Budapest itself, can be closed and the land redeveloped.
the Ferencvaros yard should be closed and redeveloped as a modern quarter of the city either way, this is correct

however the new yard should be built near budapest, near the Airport, the M0 and the Csepel Island docks on the Danube



everything I listed would solve all the capacity problems as well as improve the S-bahn services and the IC/EC services (so passenger services in their entirety) in a massive way for the whole approx. 3 million people who live in the area

just building a V0, especially one that would NOT relieve the lines from Bicske- and Ceglédbercel-, would solve nothing, literally, all it does is relieve the short Ferencváros-Kelenföld section: for a massive price tag and detour

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