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Old March 25th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #241
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Now what railway tracks are you upgrading to 200km/h? I've heard about Bucharest-Budapest project to be 300km/h? Is it going to be realised?
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Old March 25th, 2013, 07:07 PM   #242
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It's official. The contract was signed today.

http://www.vg.hu/vallalatok/kozleked...rzodest-399960
Great! More uncomfortable trains to ride on in Hungary. Stadler, Talent and Desiro are nice in terms of design but in terms of comfort.
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Old April 13th, 2013, 10:17 AM   #243
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if hungary can spend a billion euros of chinese cash on a useless freight line for 70 trains / direction / day by 2040, you can certainly do this
140 freight trains a day is quite a lot for European standards.

Besides that I think it is wise to give an alternative to the few Danube crossing around Budapest.

(I suppose you are referring to Budapest's bypass)
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Old April 13th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #244
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yes, but almost every expert in the country, even the ones bought and sold by Fidesz agree (incognito...) that it is a horrible idea given that there is 0, i mean 0 return and therefore every alternative would be preferable

namely to build a cross-budapest tunnel that would allow for almost all suburban lines to be converted into s-bahn lines and most intercity services to be converted to town-budapest-town services instead of town-budapest and budapest-town (eliminating hours and transfers)
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Old April 13th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #245
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If there were really 140 freight trains daily, building a rail-bypass around Budapest would be a good idea. I'm afraid it will rather be 14...
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Old April 13th, 2013, 11:20 PM   #246
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So why are Chinese so interested in this particular project?
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Old April 13th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #247
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70 / direction / day .... projected by the 2040s, which is to say, a lie

the chinese are interested in loaning out the money and collecting the interest as well as taking as much of the profit of the construction as possible

basically, it's a scheme to take hungarian tax payers money and channel it to the chinese pockets under the rouse of an enormous white elephant
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Old April 14th, 2013, 10:42 AM   #248
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If there were really 140 freight trains daily, building a rail-bypass around Budapest would be a good idea. I'm afraid it will rather be 14...



I'm still in favour of the line though.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #249
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not ur money huh?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #250
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not ur money huh?
No. But doesn't the congestion through Budapest by itself justify the new line?

Plus it would be great for train photographers.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #251
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a thousand teens dancing topless would not justify this line
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Old April 15th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #252
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a thousand teens dancing topless would not justify this line

Bottomless?
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Old May 6th, 2013, 07:07 PM   #253
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Old May 10th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #254
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High-speed rail connection between Budapest and Belgrade is a step closer to reality as of today. ŽS and MÁV signed a Memorandum of understanding and since Chinese have initiated the whole thing it means there is no road of convincing them ahead, there is only the road of project realization

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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:57 AM   #255
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Old May 12th, 2013, 10:13 AM   #256
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High-speed rail connection between Budapest and Belgrade is a step closer to reality as of today. ŽS and MÁV signed a Memorandum of understanding and since Chinese have initiated the whole thing it means there is no road of convincing them ahead, there is only the road of project realization
According to Hungarian news sites it will be just a normal railway line reconstruction with the usual upgraded speed to 160 km/h.



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Old May 12th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #257
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No HSR or upgraded rail to Vienna?
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Old May 12th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #258
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We had that topic a while back. Budapest-Vienna can already be considered upgraded at ca. 160 kmh and is a busy connection. Further upgrades are not on the table in the short run. Budapest - Belgrade by contrast is a relation where the train in some parts slows down to 20 kmh (on the Serbian side, but it is not fast on the Hungarian side either); train market share is almost non-existent.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #259
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No HSR or upgraded rail to Vienna?
7 dual railjets per direction per day complete the journey in just over 3 hrs

by 2020 the (Budapest)-Biatorbágy-Tata(bánya) section will be upgraded/rebuilt from ca. 140 kph to 160 kph, the rest of the line is pretty much 160 kph aside from the crappy conditions here and there

frankly i'd much prefer a central station underneath the main sq. in Budapest along with a through-tunnel
this coupled with the new hauptbahnhof and the upgrading/maintenance of the line could theoretically cut down the journey time to around 2:20-2:40 which is enough



the only section inside hungary where HSR is justified (well...) is from the airport to Cegléd on a future HSR alignment at 200-230 kph operational speeds

but that is currently only in my brain
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Old May 12th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #260
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3 h doesn't sound so bad, but one could drive the same distance in 2 h 20 min. Or at least google says one can. I haven't done so myself
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