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Old May 13th, 2013, 10:34 PM   #261
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We had that topic a while back. Budapest-Vienna can already be considered upgraded at ca. 160 kmh and is a busy connection.
A train every two hours is not really busy. Travel time Wien Meidling - Budapest-Keleti is 2:46 and not over 3 hrs.

If it would be up to me, there would be one long HSR line between Praha and Budapest via Wien/Bratislava. Connect what belongs together.

Gramercy, where would you place that new Budapest Hauptbahnhof? I really fancy that idea.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #262
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3 h doesn't sound so bad, but one could drive the same distance in 2 h 20 min. Or at least google says one can. I haven't done so myself
Half an hour of this three is inside Budapest and Vienna. Travel time between Budapest Kelenföld and Wien Meidling is 2:32.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 08:24 AM   #263
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Gramercy, where would you place that new Budapest Hauptbahnhof? I really fancy that idea.
I would create a 2 track tunnel from Kelenföld to Nyugati and put an underground station @ Deák square (where you have 3 subways and a tramline and by all intents and purposes the centre of traffic).

Later I would build a 2 track tunnel from Kelenföld to Keleti station, converting all suburban services into cross-city s-bahn lines serving all 11 suburban lines with through services and all InterCity services into cross-city services eliminating the need to change when traveling between county capitals.


The first stage could easily be done from the amount of money we are going to spend on the useless piece of shit V0.

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Old May 14th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #264
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Lovely idea that would make perfect sense.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #265
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5 subterrain tunnel station in one point, not quite a usual situtation :-))
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Old May 15th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #266
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Why is V0 useless?

Btw I know that the Budapest-Belgrade line is now announced less pompously then a few months ago when they mentioned 350 km/h but still even under the current plan it is foreseen that the travel takes just the same amount of time as it takes to Vienna 2.5-3h. Not bad when compared to the current pathetic situation.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #267
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Why is V0 useless?
- there is simply no problem with capacity with the possible exception of the short section over the Danube inside Budapest, something a +-5km long 3rd line (the bridge could already support it) could easily remedy
- if there were any problems with capacity, upgrading the lines already in existence and raising their speeds would certainly create enough additional capacity
- the current V0 alignment would make the journey between Szolnok (eastern hub) and Székesfehérvár (western hub) needlessly long when an almost direct connection would not only require shorter new sections but would also allow for a reduction of up to 2 hrs or more for cross-country InterCity trains
- Hungary's interest is to import raw materials into the country and to export the produce and NOT to build an expensive white elephant (massive overcapacity) to serve everyone else who's interest is to get through the country as quickly as possible
- if we want to focus on attracting intercontinental freight, we should build
a) three dams on the Danube
b) several upgraded ports including a completely new one for Budapest
c) brand new intermodal stations
d) a single track wide guage line from Ukrain to Budapest where ships could be loaded with heavy stuff from the Soviet bloc headed to Western Europe on the river

this V0 is a useless white elephant, paid for by money we don't have and have to borrow from the chinese

just about every alternative is better than this, even our pocket-dictator's obsession with football stadiums (at present, he is building a stadium in his home village with a capacity 2++x the village's population at a lavish cost)


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Btw I know that the Budapest-Belgrade line is now announced less pompously then a few months ago when they mentioned 350 km/h but still even under the current plan it is foreseen that the travel takes just the same amount of time as it takes to Vienna 2.5-3h. Not bad when compared to the current pathetic situation.
Yea, but I think they should concentrate on the Kecskemét-Szeged-Szabadka section and leave the Budapest-Szabadka section a single track 160 kph line mostly for local and freight.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #268
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d) a single track wide guage line from Ukrain to Budapest where ships could be loaded with heavy stuff from the Soviet bloc headed to Western Europe on the river
That would be sexy
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Thanks for the reply gramercy

I think perhaps the plan is to earn from transit fees via new V0 line, therefore it's not seen as white elephant by the Govt. I don't think Chinese would invest into something that would end up being a loan that can't even be returned. Now that doesn't mean that the project is not risky. Also there surely is a whole list of more important projects that should have been built first.

But if the Govt saw a connection to Ukraine as important I think they would have invested at least into a sooner motorway connection. To this day the connection is not complete. Building a wide gauge line is a fantasy I think, not to mention it would cause political commotion as well.

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Yea, but I think they should concentrate on the Kecskemét-Szeged-Szabadka section and leave the Budapest-Szabadka section a single track 160 kph line mostly for local and freight.
Well wouldn't that require a construction of a whole new infrastructure from scratch? That would surely be more expensive than 1.5 bln.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 09:31 PM   #270
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Well wouldn't that require a construction of a whole new infrastructure from scratch? That would surely be more expensive than 1.5 bln.
No, there is already a railroad between Budapest-Cegléd-Kecskemét-Szeged-Szabadka, it just needs to be upgraded so that both freight and passenger trains can take advantage of the improvements.

The only downside is that passenger trains would have to change direction twice, once in Szeged and once in Szabadka, but this shouldn't be a problem for push-pull trains like the RailJet or EMUs.

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Old July 7th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #271
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The new Reservation / Supplement structure of MAV is confusing for me, if I understood correctly: passengers which have an international ticket, don't need to pay a IC supplement. What if you change trains?
In my case I have an international ticket from Arad to Budapest + reservation of the IC I'll be using. Now I'd like to change in Szolnok to another IC which stops at Ferihegy (inside Budapest city area). Do I need an additional reservation or supplement of this other IC?
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Reconstruction of Budapest(Kelenföld) - Székesfehérvár Line 30a is completed, though ETCS L2 will only go live in 2015 which allows 160 km/h.





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Old October 8th, 2013, 07:04 AM   #273
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Looks great ! Cheers to out Hungarian brothers !!
Lengyel Magyar ket jo barat, egyutt harcol s issza borat ;-) :-)
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Old October 28th, 2013, 11:36 AM   #277
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Friday afternoon 20 minutes traffic at the only double track railway tunnel in Budapest southern railway station


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Old October 29th, 2013, 02:16 PM   #278
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I counted 5 trains and one cat.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #279
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I counted 5 trains and one cat.
the number of trains correct, but 2 cat and a man, watch it again
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