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Old February 9th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #1
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Croydon Developments Thread

Seeing as Croydon is determined to be London's 3rd city after the City of London & Canary Wharf there has been a number of proposals in planning & pre-planning aiming for Croydon Councils reality becoming reality by 2020. It sits on the mainline between London & Brighton with Gatwick a 20 min train journey away.Whether any of these actually see the light of day is another matter but if a momentum can be built who knows what can be achieved !!

I have done a round up of recent proposals.

Model of Croydon and all of the proposals (thanks to Will for pic)





Wellsley Square -134m 44 storeys
Approved
Architect- Rolfe Judd
Developer- Berkely homes
44 storey Role Judd residential tower- Should be starting in Q1 2009




Croydon Gateway –
Contentious site next to East Croydon Station Owned by Stanhope/Schroders who want to build a Fosters designed scheme after winning a PI into the use of the site. A rival scheme by Arrowcroft backed by Croydon council which includes an arena lost & has since been abandoned.

Ruskin Square - 135m ?
Architect- Fosters
Developer- Stanhope/Schroders


Odalisk Tower YMCA (site)
Architect -CZWG
developer -Odalisk


Lunar House redevelopment
Architects - Hamiltpn Associates


Cherry Orchard Rd Development
Architect-MAKE
Developer- Menta
Another large site on the opposite side of East Croydon Station.
Menta developments have a massed a large amount of land & buildings and are working up a 4x tower scheme designed by MAKE that are supposed to go in for planning in the first half of 2008.




West Croydon tower -
Architects- Darling Associates
Developer -Purespace


9-12 Dingwall rd -36 storey tower-145m
pre-planning
Architect-Sidell Gibson
Developer- The Dingwall Road Partnership
This tower would be literally across the road from the Croydon gateway site.




It’s the block across the road from Croydon Gateway site. next to the greenery


Croydon College tower-28 storeys
Approved
Architects- Nightingale Associates
Next to 100 George St is this approved tower for Croydon college.



Altitude 25- 82m
U/C
Architect- Devereux Architects
Developer- Howard Holdings
Residential scheme down the road to the South of East Croydon Station


Iylo
Architect- Darling Associates
U/C 20+ storey tower near West Croydon


100 George St- 78m 17 storeys
Architects -Sheppard Robson
Developer-
Recently had a new application to increase the amount of floorspace by20%.




Whitgift Centre Redevelopment- 60 storeys
Pre-planning
Architects- Geddes
Developer -Howard Holdings 60 storey tower.


Recent news of a proposed 60 storey tower on the M&S site of the whitgift centre.

"Chief executive Greg Coughlan said: "We are planning a complete redevelopment of the Whitgift Centre from the Marks and Spencer end. We're going to refurbish the whole lot and we're taking down a couple of the towers and we're going to put up two big towers. We are looking at a sixty-storey tower."
Howard Holdings, which also developed Altitude 25, has been planning the shopping centre's regeneration for the past 18 months and expects to have a planning application in by the end of March.
The company bought the 11-acre, 93,000 sq ft, site in a joint venture with Anglo Irish Bank.
Chief executive Greg Coughlan said: "We are planning a complete redevelopment of the Whitgift Centre from the Marks and Spencer end. We're going to refurbish the whole lot and we're taking down a couple of the towers and we're going to put up two big towers. We are looking at a sixty-storey tower."



However a lot of Croydon tower proposals have in the past have not progressed further than the drawing board. The Suffolk house site on the corner of George & Wellsley road was had a 36 storey tower cancelled as there wasn't the demand for the amount of office space. The site is mostly boarded up so who knows, it might even be revived.


Cancelled Arrowcroft Scheme for East Croydon


Also in Croydon is Minervas 1m sq ft Park Place shopping development (You can see it in the bottom left corner of the 2nd pic) which is due for construction next year.

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Old February 9th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #2
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A necessary thread, thanks.

Here is a rough massing of where the proposals will appear in the skyline...

(There's an annotated one knocking about somewhere)

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Old February 9th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #3
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Another possible tower on Wellsley Rd from PW last August.

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Albemarle plans office tower on ‘prime’ Croydon site

03.08.07

Syndicate submits application for 230,000 sq ft scheme

By Lydia Stockdale

Private investor syndicate Albemarle Croydon is preparing to submit a planning application for a 230,000 sq ft office tower in the heart of Croydon.

The application follows Albemarle’s simultaneous purchase of two neighbouring office buildings in June for £16.3m, representing a 5% net initial yield.

Discussions with Croydon Council’s planning department are due to begin soon.

Albemarle Croydon is one of 15 private investor syndicates across the UK administered by Erinaceous Investment, which is part of the Erinaceous Group.

Architect Leach Rhodes Walker has created preliminary designs for the office tower, which will replace the buildings at 9 and 11 Wellesley Road that total 47,000 sq ft.

9 Wellesley Road was bought from ING Real Estate, which was advised by King Sturge. HSBC is the sole tenant in the building and has another 11 years on its lease.

11 Wellesley Road was acquired as the result of a sale and leaseback by Erinaceous Group.

Dougie Lawson, director of Albemarle, said, ‘Erinaceous [Group] wouldn’t usually buy well-secured office buildings that came on to the market with 11-year leases as we would regard them as rather dry, but the appeal is that we have development break options in the Erinaceous lease.’
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The syndicate does not have a break clause agreement with HSBC.

Erinaceous Investment acted for Albemarle Croydon on the purchase of both buildings but the syndicate is unlikely to develop the site itself.

‘If we obtain planning and vacant possession we will consider sale to a developer,’ said Lawson.

‘We have bought something very safe and secure, with two big listed companies as tenants but redeveloping the buildings would create something that was four or five times bigger.’

‘It is a prime site close to East Croydon station, backing on to Whitgift shopping centre. The Croydon office market has performed poorly in recent times because of a shortage of new office development, but it currently looks good value against London.’
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Menta progresses Croydon skyscraper with land buy

26.10.07

Developer purchases pivotal 1 acre site for office and residential schemes

By Doug Morrison

Regeneration specialist Menta has taken a step forward with its £500m mixed-use development proposal for east Croydon with the purchase of a key site from Croydon Council.

Menta bought the 1 acre site for an undisclosed price, although values in Croydon range from £5m to £10m/acre, and the site, which is near East Croydon station, would be considered prime land as well as pivotal to Menta’s scheme.

Craig Marks, who heads Menta, said the site acquisition paved the way for a full planning application early next year for the office and residential development, which has been designed by Ken Shuttleworth’s Make practice.

The purchase gives the developer control of 4.5 acres of the 6 acre site around the station and Cherry Orchard Road.

The development, which would comprise London’s tallest residential tower at 46 storeys, is intended to transform a derelict area where Royal Mail is the sole remaining occupier, and will comprise 350,000 sq ft of offices and 1m sq ft of residential.
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Menta is working with the council on the scheme, which would relocate Royal Mail to a modern facility on the site of the Cherryfield Meat Packers Yard. A transport interchange is also proposed to ease traffic congestion around the station.

Progress at Cherry Orchard Road has been smooth compared with the 13 acre Croydon Gateway site nearby, where a longstanding battle between the council-backed Arrowcroft with Frogmore and landowners Schroders and Stanhope has resulted in an ongoing public inquiry into their respective proposals. A decision is due in March 2008.

Menta unveiled its proposals earlier this year at MIPIM and Marks said the company has since withdrawn from several regeneration projects in the Midlands and Yorkshire to focus its efforts on Croydon.

Marks said: ‘I see Croydon as one of the most undervalued locations in the UK. We are committed to delivering major regeneration schemes in areas where the local authority has the determination to drive change with the private sector. We are working closely with the council to enable the scheme to come forward, and this latest land acquisition from the council is part of that process.’

Marks added that Menta had submitted small enabling planning applications and put together relocation packages for businesses operating in the masterplan area
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here's fosters plans for the gateway thingy.

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Is it just me who can't see the pic?
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Old February 9th, 2008, 08:39 PM   #7
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That Foster's scheme looks crap, the Arrowcroft scheme is much much better. Are these two separate schemes for the same site or for different sites? I'm a little confused.
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sorry. i didnt quite finish the upload of that pic. here's another



and at ground level

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Yet another proposal:

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/...pNodeId=250133
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I don't quite get it-i though the other croydon gateway project was approved???
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More on this tower here


http://www.mdrassociates.co.uk/Project/edridgeroad.html
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9-12 Dingwall rd -36 storey tower-145m
On researching this thread I have just found info on another tower literally across the road from the Croydon gateway site.
Architects Sidell Gibson
The Dingwall Road Partnership.
Fill me in on this.... I love this sort of design.
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London lad:That looks brilliant I love croydon
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Fill me in on this.... I love this sort of design.
is that tower not in Hong kong?
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"Seeing as Croydon is determined to be London's 3rd city after the City of London & Canary Wharf"

But London's "first city" is Westminster.
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Altitude 25 is going up fast, I'm not too impressed with the cladding but will wait until it's complete. I hope the Arrowcroft scheme wins the battle, it's mixed use makes the best of the site. The Foster associates ribbon of offices just looks so old especially compared to the fabulous MAKE scheme on the other side of the railway tracks.
Not to mention the Alsop concepts for Croydon.
The Whitgift tower would be great, the original Whitgift Centre was like a spaceship landing in Croydon at the time.
There is a real buzz about Croydon at the moment, if only we could get through the politics it could become like La Defence - all we need is a Morphosis tower.
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http://www.sidellgibson.co.uk/sidellgibson.html
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"Seeing as Croydon is determined to be London's 3rd city after the City of London & Canary Wharf"

But London's "first city" is Westminster.
He probably means London's 3rd CBD (central bussiness district).
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That Foster's scheme looks crap, the Arrowcroft scheme is much much better. Are these two separate schemes for the same site or for different sites? I'm a little confused.
Dont think it matters, as either scheme is surrounded by so much 60's dross, that both of them get dragged down.
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9-12 Dingwall rd -36 storey tower-145m

the site is still being cleared
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