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Old July 3rd, 2005, 03:02 PM   #21
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 03:04 PM   #22
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I know Purple and Blue line trains in Metro Manila have them since they are new, but I don't know about the Yellow line trains built in 1981.
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 08:45 PM   #23
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I think Athens metro line 2 and 3 are air-conditioned. Not sure though
NO!!
Only the new trains, like the ones going to the airport.

New trains of Madrid metro, too.
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 08:50 PM   #24
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But it gets so hot in there without A/C's how did people travel in them?
Electric fans.
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 09:32 PM   #25
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NO!!
Only the new trains, like the ones going to the airport.

New trains of Madrid metro, too.
Correct.
Only the newest type of trains (ROTEM) have aircondition (Bitxofo they dont go only to the airport now , you can see them running also in the other line -Agios Antonios-Agios Dimitrios- )

As about the metro stations very few have airconditioning (like the Victoria station of line 1)
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 10:45 PM   #26
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New trains of Madrid metro, too.
Can you tell me which series?
Will the new 3000 series have air conditioning?
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 11:41 PM   #27
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^Well, from what I see in metro madrid's website, the most recent 2000 series trains already have air conditioning, so the 3000 will have it too for sure. (I just wasn't sure, because i didn't know if small profile lines in Madrid could be fitted with AC. But gladly they can. )

My only doubt now is if 6000 series have air conditioning, because 7000 and 8000 series have it for sure, and I don't think any 5000 series trains has it.
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Old July 4th, 2005, 12:09 AM   #28
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I assembled a list and put it in post #1.
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Old July 4th, 2005, 02:38 AM   #29
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Tokyo and Nagoya's metros are air-conditioned. I think all of Japan's metros are.
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Old July 4th, 2005, 03:19 AM   #30
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Most Tokyo suburban and subway systems have air conditioning. There's even one or two cars that have "weak" air conditioning for people who hate going from a 90/35 degree platform to a shivering cold rail car.
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Old July 4th, 2005, 05:42 AM   #31
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^Well, from what I see in metro madrid's website, the most recent 2000 series trains already have air conditioning, so the 3000 will have it too for sure. (I just wasn't sure, because i didn't know if small profile lines in Madrid could be fitted with AC. But gladly they can. )

My only doubt now is if 6000 series have air conditioning, because 7000 and 8000 series have it for sure, and I don't think any 5000 series trains has it.
I took several 5000 series metro trains today in Madrid and they were NOT air conditioned...
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Old July 4th, 2005, 05:45 AM   #32
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Correct.
Only the newest type of trains (ROTEM) have aircondition (Bitxofo they dont go only to the airport now , you can see them running also in the other line -Agios Antonios-Agios Dimitrios- )

As about the metro stations very few have airconditioning (like the Victoria station of line 1)
I know that they do not go to the airport only! It was an example of August 2004.

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Old July 4th, 2005, 04:15 PM   #33
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Both systems in Hong Kong (MTR and KCR) are fully airconditioned.

The info on Australia is wrong. Some trains in Sydney are still not airconditioned - though there are plans to fix that in the coming years.
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Old July 4th, 2005, 04:24 PM   #34
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Vienna has air-conditioned metro trains, but only the new one
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Old July 4th, 2005, 10:12 PM   #35
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I am still surprised that the London Underground doesnt have any A/C.
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Old July 4th, 2005, 10:30 PM   #36
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Taken from London subway vs. NYC subway thread

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It's really hard to get London trains with air conditioning because:
1st: There's no space in the tunnel to add air conditioning (considering it would be installed in the roof of the trains), because the trains are too narrow. Not any spare spaces between the trains and the tunnels were you could put the AC devices.
2nd(and this is the major problem): Installing AC on the trains, would overheat the entire tube network, because the tunnels are narrow, deep, and not properly ventilated, unlike, for example NYC's ones, which are wider and shallow, which makes them easily ventilated.

It's not an easy problem to solve. Well, it's easy to solve in the Cut and Cover lines: (Circle, H&C, Metropolitan, District and ELL) because those have wide and shallow tunnels. I believe the future rolling stock for those lines(which will be starting to be introduced in 2009 or something) will have AC.

As for the tube lines.....

It's not impossible obviously.... they could for example build many ventilation shafts fot the tube lines to ventilate them properly. Obvisously that would be a massic work, becaus each lin would need MANY ventilation shafts!
It you probably have higher cost than building a whole new metro system! (maybe exagerating a bit )

Obviously, there must be other solutions.
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they could pipe it along with the power lines, if there's enough room beneath the train. A/C units within the tube trains themselves can be placed within the passenger compartments, at the cost of carrying capacity.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 10:21 AM   #38
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The T2000 is only used on one line with little traffic. The other lines have to live with the old trains for atleast another year. The heat inside can get unbearable sometimes at summer. My grandpa was close to faint in one of them a couple of years ago.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 12:36 PM   #39
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As far as I know Berlin has it in the H-trains and will have it in the HK-trains.
I┤m not sure about S-bahn.
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Also in the U.S., Boston has A/C, Philadelphia has A/C, Washington, D.C. has A/C, probably also Los Angeles and San Francisco. It's pretty much the universal norm here.

In Canada, as the above poster said, indeed Toronto has A/C but Montreal does not.

In response to JayT, no, many cities don't have A/C. Mostly cities in temperate or colder climates where hot summer weather does not last for very long, as in London and Paris. However, some really hot cities, such as Lisbon, also do not have A/C, which can be a little painful (though London and Lisbon do have simple forced air systems to cool the cars, as does Montreal).
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