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Old June 12th, 2006, 05:58 PM   #1
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[F] France | road infrastructure • Autoroutes de France

A maritime end to France's motorway misery?

NANTES, France, June 8, 2006 (AFP) - This summer hundreds thousands of holidaymakers in France will once again spend a considerable chunk of their well earned breaks sitting in traffic jams on the country's motorways.

Like most of the developed world, France's motorway network suffers from serious traffic congestion and one of the main culprits is the ubiquitous heavy goods vehicle, or truck in every day parlance.

Almost everyone -- many truck drivers included -- agrees that there are too many lorries on today's motorways. Heavy trucks cause pollution, traffic jams and seriously increase wear and tear on already overloaded road networks.

But for users of at least part of the French motorway network, salvation could be at hand.

Port authorities in Nantes on France's Atlantic coast are putting the finishing touches to an ambitious plan they hope would see over a 1,000 lorries a day transferred from motorways to ships.

The project, called a "maritime motorway" or "seaway", would link the port of Montoir near Nantes with Bilbao on Spain's northern coast using a fleet of tailor made "truck ferries".

And if it gets the go-ahead from both the French and the European Union (EU) authorities, the link could be in operation as early as mid-2008.

"The idea is that the link should have all the characteristics of a terrestrial motorway," said Michel Quimbert, president of the Nantes-Saint-Nazaire port authority, which also runs the Montoir facility.

Under the scheme, truck drivers would turn up at a toll booth similar to those on normal motorways and pay a fee to use the seaway that was equivalent -- factoring in costs including toll fees, fuel and driver time lost through compulsory rest breaks -- to using the current highly congested route that links western France with Spain.

"No truck would have to wait more than six hours for a ferry and getting onto or off of a ship would be no more complicated than going through a motorway toll booth," said Quimbert.

The port official is convinced his seaway plan offers a credible, economically competitive alternative to truckers using the motorways running along France's Atlantic coast.

"The journey would take around 10 hours, which is comparable with the road journey. And during that time the drivers are resting, their trucks are not burning fuel, their trailers are not being worn out. It really is an attractive offer," he said.

Quimbert also argues his scheme, which would be mostly funded by private investors with some start-up help from the EU, presents major economic and environmental advantages for France.

The project is cheap compared to building more motorways, an ecologically unpopular solution sometimes cited as a means of reducing traffic congestion, although 1,000 trucks is only a fraction of the number plying the route daily.

Quimbert estimates his scheme would cost around 400 million euros (518 million dollars), essentially the price of building the tailor-made ships and upgrading port facilities in Montoir and Bilbao.

"That's about the same price as it costs to build one motorway tunnel and a few kilometres of road," he said. The Montoir-Bilbao link would replace a road journey of over 700 kilometres (450 miles).

"Road transport causes seven times more air pollution than shipping, so this option is good news for the environment," he insisted.

But some environmental experts are less convinced about the seaway's green credentials.

"It could be an environmentally friendly option, but only if a number of other issues are dealt with at the same time," argued Marcus Liechti, an expert on maritime transport with the Brussels-based lobby group Transport and Environment.

Liechti points out for example that marine diesel is currently exempted from EU fuel quality standards and is considerably more dirty than truck fuel.

He also says the seaway could cause environmental problems for the areas around the ports of Montoir and Bilbao.

"You'd need to upgrade roads in the hinterland around the ports to motorway standards in order to allow the trucks to get to the ships easily and that could cause problems for local residents," Liechti added.

On the question of road safety though, most experts seem to agree with Quimbert's view that the seaway would be good news for motorists.

"Anything that helps to reduce congestion on the roads certainly makes things easier, so we'd obviously be in favour of this kind of plan," a spokeswoman for French road safety campaigners 'Securite Routiere' told AFP.

If the Montoir seaway project gets the go-ahead, it will of course be Europe's truckers who finally decide if the scheme succeeds or fails.

Quimbert says trucking industry representatives are in principle in favour of the plan. "Congestion is also a huge problem for haulage firms. They do seem to understand that if the situation doesn't improve, it's their businesses on the line.

"What will make this project work is the realisation is that either you use the seaway or you go bust," he said.
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Old June 12th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #2
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Good new
In summer holiday French motorways was always congested.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 10:12 AM   #3
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[F] French Autoroute and Freeway

The Autoroute system in France consists largely of toll roads, except around large cities. It is a network of 12,000 km (7,450 miles) worth of motorways. Autoroute destinations are shown in blue, while destinations reached through a combination of autoroutes are shown with an added autoroute logo. Toll autoroutes are signalled with the word péage.


I have used some pics of Chris1491 .




If someone has a better map of french motorway system
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Old June 25th, 2007, 10:53 AM   #4
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The A75 Clermont-Ferrand - Béziers is one of the most scenic motorways i've ever seen!
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Old June 25th, 2007, 10:58 AM   #5
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A bigger map of the network:

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Old June 25th, 2007, 10:59 AM   #6
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Thank's

But it doesn't include motorway in Paris metro.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 11:04 AM   #7
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Looks nice and here i see that they they use the rougher asphalt with stones etc, when it rains they are shining, at least in Bulgaria this is the case.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 11:09 AM   #8
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French tolled Autoroutes are generally in excellent condition, but pavement on non-tollways, especially near border region can be poor, like the A2, A31 and A35.

But most parts of France are a bit boring to drive on, distances are so long. You see often places signed 400 - 600km away.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 11:15 AM   #9
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French tolled Autoroutes are generally in excellent condition, but pavement on non-tollways, especially near border region can be poor, like the A2, A31 and A35.

But most parts of France are a bit boring to drive on, distances are so long. You see often places signed 400 - 600km away.
Rough asphalt is not a sign of bad codition or quality roads, it just don´t look so well, anyway have you seen asphalt which when it rains looks like it has bright holes, i don´t know how to describe it well.
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Well some non concession motorways are bumpy to drive on, because of the lack of funding for maintenance i think.

The best Asphalt is Dutch ZOAB (Very open Asphalt Concrete), with virtually no water splashing up, even in heavy rain. On ordinary concrete, you can't see a thing because of the rain splashing up.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 11:29 AM   #11
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Especially in Paris and Lyon metro.
The worst motorway of France is the A47 between Lyon and Saint Etienne.
The proof is that a second is project A45.

Even the A47 is better than most american interstate.
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Well some non concession motorways are bumpy to drive on, because of the lack of funding for maintenance i think.

The best Asphalt is Dutch ZOAB (Very open Asphalt Concrete), with virtually no water splashing up, even in heavy rain. On ordinary concrete, you can't see a thing because of the rain splashing up.
but they are not bumpy to drive on at all in Bulgaria, i am just wondering why they look strange when it´s raining, i have to show you a pic but i havn´t any pics on which ti can be seen.
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but they are not bumpy to drive on at all in Bulgaria, i am just wondering why they look strange when it´s raining, i have to show you a pic but i havn´t any pics on which ti can be seen.
Would you stop this, please!
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Would you stop this, please!
Yes, you are completely right, it doesn´t belong to this thread, i am sorry for hijacking the thread, i won´t talk about this in any other thread than bulgarian threads.

Sorry again.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 12:08 PM   #15
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Just to comment the map posted by vynkce, in green appear the toll autoroutes, in blue the free autoroutes (when marked with the letter 'A') and expressways (marked with the letter 'N').
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but they are not bumpy to drive on at all in Bulgaria, i am just wondering why they look strange when it´s raining, i have to show you a pic but i havn´t any pics on which ti can be seen.
We're not talking about rough asphalt (which is ok), but crappy asphalt/pavement, whether rough or "mild/sweet/gentle/soft" (anyone knows a better expression?). Anyway, nothing beats crappy Italian toll-free expressways.

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I like the roadnames in France too.

La Languedocienne
La Catalane
Autoroute du Soleil
etc etc.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 05:05 PM   #18
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Me too.
Autoroute des Anglais
Autoroute Blanche
Autoroute de Normandie
Autoroute Verte
Autoroute des Deux-Mers
Autoroute des Oiseaux
L'Occitane
la Meridienne
Autoroute du Nord

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Just follow the link
http://fr.cars.yahoo.com/traficinfo/autoroutes.html
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Paris freeway system



It is one of biggest in Europe.
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