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Old April 26th, 2013, 03:45 PM   #20061
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When you cross the country for a gazillion times, you know where to look.
Oh, it used to be the main Warsaw-Berlin road.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 03:47 PM   #20062
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Old April 26th, 2013, 04:44 PM   #20063
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I don't like renumbering of old roads. It's even worse in Slovenia.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 05:46 PM   #20064
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if you randomly drop the little yellow guy in the easternmost part of the EE countries, chances are you will get something weird
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Old April 26th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #20065
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Romania has them too: http://goo.gl/maps/DFqmw
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Old April 26th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #20066
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There is no streetview i Austria yet...

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Yellow building in the background is a budget hotel on A1 in Vienna, just where motorway ends up, and it's probably very popular within Romanian guests (almost all cars parked by were registered in Romania). So, I let myself make a presumption that the lady on the picture comes from Romania, however I could be wrong and she might be a Polish.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #20067
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Alland? My colleague got robbed there once... By Romanias
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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #20068
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When you go through this street in Székesfehérvár, in street mode it says it's Lenin street. When you go out from the street view it says Prohászka Ottokár street. Interesting...

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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #20069
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Alland? My colleague got robbed there once... By Romanias
Alland is on A21. I think it's here.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #20070
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Alland? My colleague got robbed there once... By Romanias
It's called Hotel Lenas West.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #20071
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Oh yeah, I forgot.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #20072
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I don't like renumbering of old roads. It's even worse in Slovenia.
I think the countrary. For practical reasons, main routes should have the same number for their entire lenghts. When a new bypass is built, they should give it the number of the main road and issue a new number for the, now downgraded, former main road.
The main problem is that the overall lenght of the main road changes and you need to move all km posts along it. And this isn't nothing if the realignment occurs at the beginning of a road hundreds of km long!
In some places there are situations like this:
Veneto - Friuli border on the SS14. The sign still in Veneto indicates the km 76 (from Mestre).
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=San+M...,92.92,,1,-2.6
50 meters after, in Friuli, a sign says km 79,213.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=San+M...99.95,,0,11.09
Why? The Venetian part of the SS14 was shortened a while ago (I think post-war years) and km-posts in Friuli weren't changed since then (SS14 was classificated as Strada Statale from Mestre to Fiume in 1927).
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Old April 27th, 2013, 01:36 AM   #20073
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Ok, I agree in such cases, but not when a new motorway is built. The old road should keep its previous number. The worst example in Slovenia is probably the old road between Maribor and Hungary (G1-3). Now it's (starting from Maribor) R2-449, R1-230, R1-235, R3-740, R1-232, R2-443, through Lendava and Dolga vas it's LC206070 (LC = lokalna cesta = local road), and the last 0.5 km it's H7 (but not an expressway).
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Old April 27th, 2013, 02:11 AM   #20074
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Ok, I agree in such cases, but not when a new motorway is built. The old road should keep its previous number. The worst example in Slovenia is probably the old road between Maribor and Hungary (G1-3). Now it's (starting from Maribor) R2-449, R1-230, R1-235, R3-740, R1-232, R2-443, through Lendava and Dolga vas it's LC206070 (LC = lokalna cesta = local road), and the last 0.5 km it's H7 (but not an expressway).
Why? In Slovenia (like in most of Europe except Scandinavia), motorways and normal roads have different classifications (Ax and Gx in the case of Slovenia). So, they could keep A5 and G1-3 at the same time, like our A4\SS14 or A23\SS13.
In other cases it's different. When new parts of expressways open along the Jonian coast (Taranto-Reggio Calabria), they are classificated as SS106 and the old road get downgraded. When the Livorno - Grosseto expressway opened, it got the SS1 number and the former 1+1 SS1 was downgraded with different numbers. When the current SS1 expressway will be upgraded into the new A12 motorway there are chances that the old road will return SS1 again.
In Italy roads often get their official numbers many years after their opening and "temporary" numbers (NSAxxx) remains for years. The lack of a special classification of expressway is also a problem.
In some places there are irrational situations: if you drive from Messina to Rosolini you have: A20, A18, RA15, the unnumbered "Autostrada Catania - Siracusa", SS114 and A18 again, and you never turn!
From Monfalcone to Trieste harbour you have: A4, RA13, NSA314 and SS202, without any turn.
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Old April 27th, 2013, 04:20 AM   #20075
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Why? In Slovenia (like in most of Europe except Scandinavia), motorways and normal roads have different classifications (Ax and Gx in the case of Slovenia). So, they could keep A5 and G1-3 at the same time, like our A4\SS14 or A23\SS13.
Because "G" stands for glavna cesta (main road) and the G1-3 wasn't a main road any more, because the A5 became the main road there. At least that's their logic. I'm surprised this road is still G1-8 (the tunnel was opened already in 2008).
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Gentlemen! Don't you think that such interesting and directly related to roads discussion should be shifted somewhere else? Let's say here.
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Old April 27th, 2013, 09:48 AM   #20077
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Gentleman. Good point... I haven't come across any ladies yet. Not that I know of anyways. Piotr, what sex are you?
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Old April 27th, 2013, 11:12 AM   #20078
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Old April 27th, 2013, 02:39 PM   #20079
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Gentlemen! Don't you think that such interesting and directly related to roads discussion should be shifted somewhere else? Let's say here.
Sorry, forgot about it.
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Old April 27th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #20080
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Verso, I exactly know what you are talking about. before we had introduced Ax system of numbering, all main roads were D roads. road from Hungary (Goričan - Varaždin - Zagreb - Karlovac - Rijeka - Pazin - Pula) used to be D3. when they would have opened new section of motorway, it would become D3, and ex D3 would become Ž-road (županijska, county road, it's the 3rd grade of roads in HR after A and D roads). so in one moment you had D3 from Goričan to Varaždin following motorway, than old road up to Breznički Hum, and than again motorway up to Vukova Gorica, normal road to Kupjak bla bla... each while it was interrupted. in 2000 they have introduced A numbering scheme. So motorway sections of D3 became A4, A1, A6, A8, A9. (it even runs on certain sections of A3 and A7, what a variety!). but: D3 wasn't turned back to old parallel road. so parallel road used to be combination of various Ž roads and D3. it took them more than 10 years to rename whole parallel road to D3 again (it is only interrupted between Zagreb (Sesvete) and Karlovac, and it ends in RIjeka, not in Pula anymore)
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