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Old May 12th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #20221
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Old May 12th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #20222
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Oh right. So Mont Blanc comes third?
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Old May 12th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #20223
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Don't know, Elbrus has two summits so that gives Mont Blanc only fourth place. I don't bother which country haw which mountain, I rather bother how to reach this or that summit. Both highest peaks in Europe (Caucasian and Alpine) are on my checklist.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #20224
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Oh right. So Mont Blanc comes third?
More like tenth.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 11:53 AM   #20225
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Up there it doesn't matter in which country lies the peak. Also most climbed route is from Chamonix, France, anyway.
So what? Summit is shared between two countries nonetheless.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 01:16 PM   #20226
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Old May 12th, 2013, 01:21 PM   #20227
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Awesome! We need such a thing in the Velsertunnel over here. Some truck hits the top of the tunnel at least once a month...
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Old May 12th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #20228
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Cool looking thing. However I wonder why do they not install steel portal of necessary height before tunnel, which is common in European countries.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #20229
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Why spend so much money on hi-techy thing while steel portals, as keber says, would do the same a hundredth the price?
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Old May 12th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #20230
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Steel portal is actually not so cheap, it can cost few tens of thousand €. But it is very effective in all cases, which I would not say for that holographic Australian thing with a price tag in a similar range. This thing is nothing more than a water curtain and LED projector, added to previously installed complicated electronic equipment for detecting out-of clearance vehicles.

I'm wondering how it is possible that they construct important tunnels without necessary clearance?
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Old May 12th, 2013, 02:00 PM   #20231
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The Harbour Tunnel opened in 1992. It's next to the iconic Harbour Bridge near central Sydney.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #20232
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Why spend so much money on hi-techy thing while steel portals, as keber says, would do the same a hundredth the price?
Well, if a truck takes out one of those steel portals there's a high chance that that thing gets all over the road. That could endanger other road users near the truck. They might get hit by (remains of) the steel portal.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #20233
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Well, if a truck takes out one of those steel portals there's a high chance that that thing gets all over the road. That could endanger other road users near the truck. They might get hit by (remains of) the steel portal.
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Steel portal is actually not so cheap, it can cost few tens of thousand €. But it is very effective in all cases, which I would not say for that holographic Australian thing with a price tag in a similar range. This thing is nothing more than a water curtain and LED projector, added to previously installed complicated electronic equipment for detecting out-of clearance vehicles.
Sure, a nice flashy blinking light isn't gonna stop a driver under the influence or simply distracted. He will smash into the tunnel anyway, damaging more than just few tens of thousands of euro worth of infrastructure. I think that there should be physical barriers before the actual tunnel, actually stopping runaway trucks, rather then simply saying "hei pal, you cannot enter, please stop"...

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Old May 12th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #20234
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Well, if a truck takes out one of those steel portals there's a high chance that that thing gets all over the road. That could endanger other road users near the truck. They might get hit by (remains of) the steel portal.
Steel portals are constructed in such way that normal truck trailer cannot destroy them. Usually tops of overloaded trucks are pretty light so just some cargo and parts of vehicle could be strewn over pavement.

It works in Alpine countries and I never heard anyone to destroy such portal. It could work elsewhere. Amazing that "non-tunnel nations" always try to invent new, costly and inefficient solutions for problems that have been already solved in "tunnel nations" with simple, cheap and efficient means.
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The Harbour Tunnel opened in 1992.
Even worse - how couldn't they construct a tunnel with a proper clearance?
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The Netherlands now builds all tunnels with a standard 4.7 meter clearance. That way overheight trucks are never an issue. Formerly tunnels were built with 4.2 meters clearance and hyper sensitive detection, resulting in over a thousand tunnel closures per year at a single tunnel, very few of them actually involving overheight trucks.
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Old May 12th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #20237
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Old May 13th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #20239
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I got my first few of those last Friday.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 02:31 PM   #20240
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I got my first (and also last) at the supermarket on Monday, 6 May. Old notes are still more common.
But today I received a 2€ with Postojna caves.
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