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Old August 17th, 2013, 10:13 AM   #21561
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I'm greeting you from Switzerland. Weather is wonderful.

But driving discipline is horrible, so many people hogging the left lane, it stressed me a lot, also pretty much traffic, even late in the evening. And in towns, cyclists are all over the streets, driving like crazy, almost no cycle paths on the sidewalk, they drive in the middle of the road, on tram tracks...
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Old August 17th, 2013, 11:16 PM   #21562
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Meanwhile (actually 2 years ago ) in Arad:

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Old August 18th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #21563
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Old August 18th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #21564
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About time! M25 finally open for business!
I highly doubt that it'll make any difference, especially not on the M25, I don't think that anything applies on the M25 .

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Why should they? I'm personally against all such discrimination towards beginner drivers (max 100 on motorways, not powerful cars, double penalities, no rental cars). You're a beginner for the first months, not 3 years.
I got my licence when I was 17, I can't rent a car till I'm 25, which is 8 years. It does sound like a long time but then I see how a good deal of young drivers drive...
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Old August 18th, 2013, 09:51 PM   #21565
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If they were to enforce lane discipline strictly, you might not get these typical UK situations with freight on lane one, an empty middle lane, and practically stationary traffic on lane three.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #21566
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Why should they? I'm personally against all such discrimination towards beginner drivers (max 100 on motorways, not powerful cars, double penalities, no rental cars). You're a beginner for the first months, not 3 years.
I may be a slow learner, but I really learnt how to drive after 10 years and an accident. Before that I could drive, but I didn't really know how to drive.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #21567
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Driving experience expressed in years doesn't tell the whole story. I know people who have a driving license for 6 years, but do not own a car (still live with their parents) and barely drive.

I'd say that 100 000 kilometers of driving experience makes you an experienced driver. But you never stop to learn on the road, even experienced drivers make mistakes, including me.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 11:46 PM   #21568
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Beeing an experienced driver count both km's driven and years of experience, but it's very important km/year ratio.

For example, I have an aunt that has her license for 20 years, but I've never seen her driving. But she is an "experienced" driver since she "drives" for 20 years without any accident of traffic fine.

On the other hand, I have a cousin that when he turned 18 he got his license and was hired as a driver in one of his friend's companies. He drove a lot of km's every day in entier Europe because this was his job... and soon he started to drive also trucks. It's clear that after 1 year he had more experience than many people get in 10 years of driving.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 01:14 AM   #21569
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It depends also by the kind of driving you are accustomed to. Many people have driven for decades, but never or almost never outside their local area. Thus, they would have problems to drive in unfamiliar scenarios like motorways, big cities (if they live in small towns) or mountain roads (if they live in flat areas).
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #21570
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 19th, 2013, 03:17 AM   #21571
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Greetings from Gdansk, just got here from Riga. Drove for the first time on any Polish motorway (A1). Those Polish truck drivers on 5xx roads are just crazy. I was driving on this very rural road somewhere near Ketrzyn in the middle of the night. I cant remember which number it was, but it was very narrow and the weather was very foggy (I couldn't see anything further than 5 meters away from me). And those truck drivers were just blasting these roads with 90km/h+ speed. It was a very scary experience, there were countless near head on collisions.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #21572
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My mother has had a driver license for approximately thirty years. She has driven no more than ten thousand kilometers in all her life, and all of them in her local environment, in some small towns and 1+1 roads between them.
(While my father had a license, my mother haven't driven at all, for several years. Nowadays my father has no license, my mother drives some 2,000 kms yearly).
But she's "experienced" :-)
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Old August 19th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #21573
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Back home after 3575 km in 7 days in Romania, Hungary, Slovenia, Italy and San Marino. Awesome trip! I think I will share on SSC some pictures from the trip when I will have time.
I'm also just back from Stockholm, done over 4600 km in 12 days.
I'll post some thoughts later but for now most unexpected thing for me was pretty high rate of excessive speeding and road rage on Denmark motorways, by Danish drivers.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #21574
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I'm back from an 1850 km trip to Switzerland, Liechtenstein, France (Alsacia), Germany and Austria. Roadmap here

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Meanwhile in Ingolstadt there's a hostage situation at the old town hall. Also priminister Merkel was expected today in the same are to hold a speech. Situation has nothing to do with her though, it seems a stalker escaped from psychiatry and went to the woman he stalked, that works in the town hall.

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I'm also just back from Stockholm, done over 4600 km in 12 days.
I'll post some thoughts later but for now most unexpected thing for me was pretty high rate of excessive speeding and road rage on Denmark motorways, by Danish drivers.
Yes that always gets to me as well after returning from calm Sweden. These Danes are not pleasant drivers. Some are aggressive and fast, others are dead slow, none of them are really courtesies and lane discipline is never heard of.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 02:14 PM   #21576
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I'm back from an 1850 km trip to Switzerland, Liechtenstein, France (Alsacia), Germany and Austria. Roadmap here

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Meanwhile in Ingolstadt there's a hostage situation at the old town hall. Also priminister Merkel was expected today in the same are to hold a speech. Situation has nothing to do with her though, it seems a stalker escaped from psychiatry and went to the woman he stalked, that works in the town hall.

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Old August 19th, 2013, 02:14 PM   #21577
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Driving experience expressed in years doesn't tell the whole story. I know people who have a driving license for 6 years, but do not own a car (still live with their parents) and barely drive.

I'd say that 100 000 kilometers of driving experience makes you an experienced driver. But you never stop to learn on the road, even experienced drivers make mistakes, including me.
You never stop learning, you mean. ;-)
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I'm back from a 200 km trip to Fassatal. Not really interesting per se, but I managed to climb 5 peaks in 3 days (40+ km on foot)
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Old August 19th, 2013, 03:22 PM   #21579
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I'm at work, in Gaimersheim Gewerbegebiet...
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I'm back from a 200 km trip to Fassatal. Not really interesting per se, but I managed to climb 5 peaks in 3 days (40+ km on foot)
I though you were somewhere in Austria before realizing that Fassatal was the famous valley in Trentino between Moena and Canazei that we call Val di Fassa (where I spent summer holidays in 2010-11-12).
I never heard the German name in Italy, cause it's in Trentino, not Alto Adige and thus not bilingual.
Anyway, nice mountains there.
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