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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #21901
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That seems a good idea for certain people, it's a sort of "halfway" between freedom and jail.
There should be a such place in every large city, where people with antisocial behaviors (but who didn't committed crimes that justify a jail sentence) are forced to move. Those places shouldn't became lagers, of course, but rather rehabilitation centers where such people are assisted by psychiatrists. There should be a massive police presence around them, that prevent further troubles and check who enter and who leave.
It's not easy in the politically-correctness-dominated Europe, but usually this politically correctness is paid by honest people who feel unsafe because bad people are around unpunished. And, as usual, the Netherlands are progressive,...
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #21902
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Yes, next step is to start making them do hard labor for their freedom. That's pretty nice and progressive.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #21903
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Now why would you bring that up and start a flame war again? I'm sure there are low-moderated threads on this subject in several skybars where you can take that shit....
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:37 PM   #21904
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Why do we talk about gypsies so often?
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #21905
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Why do we talk about gypsies so often?
They seem to be part of our daily life
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #21906
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I haven't seen one in ages.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:44 PM   #21907
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Not yet found a place in Turin but I already have a couple appointments to see some flats. I think I'll go for Moncalieri or Nichelino, not Turin city, because I hope they're a bit cheaper and they still are very close to my workplace.



It is a public research institute called Inrim. Afaik it's not under CNR, but it depends directly from Ministry of Research and Education.
It's a nice area, many parks. Not far from the office there is tram 4, which runs through the city.

When choosing home, consider that a new suburban line has been activated around the Nichelino area (Nichelino-Moncalieri-Lingotto stations are covered by S2), linking the city center too.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #21908
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I wasn't referring just to the gypsies but to every sort of criminal\troublemaker.
In Europe the justice it's usually very protective towards civil rights (i.e. one is innocent until proven guilty and self-justice isn't allowed). Most time this is positive, but sometimes this attitude facilitates criminals and damage victims. In fact too many times criminals and victims are put on the same level.
For example in Italy if you attack a thieve in YOUR proprierty you may get a harsher punishment than the thieve itself because physical violence it's a worse crime than theft. A bit unfair, isn't it?
To me democracy means that everybody is treated like deserves, not everybody is treated equally. So if you CHOOSE to behave in a certain way (being criminals or troublemakers IS a choise, while being white, blacks or Asian isn't), you should expect a punishment.
If the justice was more honest-citizens-friendly, crime levels would be far lower.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 07:37 PM   #21909
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It's a nice area, many parks.
True, many parks, but I didn't like that area very much. It seemed kind of run down. Nichelino, which borders the area to the south, is one of the ugliest places I've seen in Northern Italy.

Problem with the place is the presence of Mirafiori: many horrible houses built up for workers during the 60s and very few cafes and shops.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 07:58 PM   #21910
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I haven't seen one in ages.
Me neither. Just thousands of them Mostly in TV
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Old September 13th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #21911
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I hope you don't have to commute 250 kilometers each way before finding a place to live in Torino.

I have several colleagues who commute 90 minutes one way, for relatively short distances (under 60 kilometers). They use public transport because the employer pays for it.
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Won't they pay for fuel?
My cousin, civil engineer, who works for a German construction company, for about six month period of time had to travel from his place near Viersen to
Frankfurt (about 250km) After one week he got fed up, gave up car and decided to use train instead, until contract ended. I also commuted some longer distances to work, however it was only 80 km per direction, all the way up motorway and just 3 days a week.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 11:39 PM   #21912
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My cousin, civil engineer, who works for a German construction company, for about six month period of time had to travel from his place near Viersen to
Frankfurt (about 250km) After one week he got fed up, gave up car and decided to use train instead, until contract ended. I also commuted some longer distances to work, however it was only 80 km per direction, all the way up motorway and just 3 days a week.
When I was working in Bologna I had two coworkers, one commuting daily from Milan (more than 200 km), the other one from Verona (150 km). I think they spent more than half of their salaries in train travel.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #21913
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My technical drawing teacher, an architect in Madrid, commutes to our city (185 km, 55 min) to give classes and help us with projects, three times a week in a High Speed Train.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #21914
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My technical drawing teacher, an architect in Madrid, commutes to our city (185 km, 55 min) to give classes and help us with projects, three times a week in a High Speed Train.
Except commuting by car, distance does not matter. Time is the most essential. Commuting within 55 minutes is completely normal. I used to commute 70 minutes everyday to my high school and I considered it normal. It was only about 13 km but public transport make commuting took a much more time (especially in winter).
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Old September 14th, 2013, 12:21 AM   #21915
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Except commuting by car, distance does not matter. Time is the most essential. Commuting within 55 minutes is completely normal. I used to commute 70 minutes everyday to my high school and I considered it normal. It was only about 13 km but public transport make commuting took a much more time (especially in winter).
Money it's even a bigger issue than distance and time. You can get up earlier or return home later but if you spend too much for fuel\tolls or train you may have problems to arrive at the end of the month.
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Old September 14th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #21916
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Meanwhile in Vatican city:

The Pope and a priest from Verona (who was the driver) were shouted and stopped by Swiss Guards while trying the new Papamobile because they didn't fasten their seatbelts and drove wrong way (although there is not public motorized traffic inside the Vatican).
http://www.blogo.it/news/politica/re...lla-renault-4/
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 14th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #21917
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Money it's even a bigger issue than distance and time. You can get up earlier or return home later but if you spend too much for fuel\tolls or train you may have problems to arrive at the end of the month.
No doubt, money is the most important and limiting factor responsible for commuting itself But it might be very individual in every particular case (e.g. whether employer donates your travel costs or whether you travel within an integrated transportation system with some benefits and discounts, etc.)
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Old September 14th, 2013, 02:46 AM   #21918
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Old September 14th, 2013, 03:28 AM   #21919
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Forget Gibraltar, Road_UK: France has apparently annexed the Channel Islands: http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/2013/...-decouvrir.php
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Old September 14th, 2013, 05:08 AM   #21920
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Germany once did, why France can't?
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