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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #22061
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Cappella degli Scrovegni with Giotto's frescos?
Santa Giustina Basilica in Prato della Valle?
Sant'Antonio Basilica with Donatello statues?
Caffè Pedrocchi?

I never been there myself, just passing by once by train. Just to say that it shouldn't be so ugly...
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Old September 24th, 2013, 07:04 PM   #22062
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Cappella degli Scrovegni with Giotto's frescos?
Santa Giustina Basilica in Prato della Valle?
Caffè Pedrocchi?

I never been there myself, just passing by once by train. Just to say that it shouldn't be so ugly...
i thought so that it shouldn't, too. but...
Caffe Pedrocchi has famous story. i saw it from outside, it is at the beginning of main walking street where almost all stores are closed, and buildings are full of grafitti.
Basilica di Sant'Antonio is also very dissapointing. e.g. San Francesco in Assisi is way more interesting. Antonio is just typical christian kitsch.
Prato della Valle would be nice without 3 things: 1. dogs' shit 2. horrible mixture of architecture 3. Africans smoking weed on open air with no fear of police
really, among large Italian cities, Padova is at the bottom.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 07:20 PM   #22063
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i was in for the first time in my life this year and i was deeply dissappointed. i didn't know it was so ugly city. i expected explosion of culture (especially religious), and i found there nothing.
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Cappella degli Scrovegni with Giotto's frescos?
Santa Giustina Basilica in Prato della Valle?
Sant'Antonio Basilica with Donatello statues?
Caffè Pedrocchi?

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i thought so that it shouldn't, too. but...
Caffe Pedrocchi has famous story. i saw it from outside, it is at the beginning of main walking street where almost all stores are closed, and buildings are full of grafitti.
Basilica di Sant'Antonio is also very dissapointing. e.g. San Francesco in Assisi is way more interesting. Antonio is just typical christian kitsch.
Prato della Valle would be nice without 3 things: 1. dogs' shit 2. horrible mixture of architecture 3. Africans smoking weed on open air with no fear of police
really, among large Italian cities, Padova is at the bottom.
I agree. Padua is one of the worst Italian city in term of crime and urban decay (probably the worst north of Rome). It's one of the biggest "drug market" in Europe. Many people who live there say that it's dangerous to wander alone at night, except in some central areas.
Many Italian cities have ZTL (limited traffic zone) in their historical centres. In Padua, apart it, many suburban roads are closed to traffic from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m. (apart residents and autorized). The reason: those suburbs, inhabitated mostly by illegal immigrants, are a hub for drug traffiking and the administration try to reduce this problem.
Padua is a very important university city, and this help the decay because it means a huge affluent of young people from the whole Italy, that causes troubles and demand for drugs.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #22064
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I didn't know that. But I don't see how being a university city helps the decay. I lived for 12 years in Bologna, where a quarter of its 400 thousand inhabitants are students: I never saw a more lively city. Sure, there's drugs, but I never felt unsafe walking in the city, even very late at night.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #22065
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I lived for 12 years in Bologna, where a quarter of its 400 thousand inhabitants are students: I never saw a more lively city. Sure, there's drugs, but I never felt unsafe walking in the city, even very late at night.
I walked in Bologna on this route to my hotel at about 10-11 p.m. and didn't feel too comfortable doing it.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #22066
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I walked in Bologna on this route to my hotel at about 10-11 p.m. and didn't feel too comfortable doing it.
It's more a car route than a walk route, it's like walking on an expressway

I lived for a year in via Gandusio, just near the A of your route, and it was ok. Near B there has been lots of works with skyscrapers and such.

I never had such bad feelings passing there. But of course South Bologna is nicer than North one. And of course there are zones not particularly attractive, like Pilastro and maybe Bolognina...
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btw i'm going to Milano next week. somehow i have never been in the core of Lombardia, always took A21
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btw i'm going to Milano next week. somehow i have never been in the core of Lombardia, always took A21
Are you going by car? I drove only once inside Milano, I was about to abandon the car and run away screaming
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Are you going by car? I drove only once inside Milano, I was about to abandon the car and run away screaming
First time I drove in Milan I was like that. But having done Napels a few times since, driving in Milan and even Rome is comparable with church traffic...
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I lived in Naples for a while but had no car back then. Worst driving experiences of my life are Palermo and Granada...
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It's more a car route than a walk route, it's like walking on an expressway

I lived for a year in via Gandusio, just near the A of your route, and it was ok. Near B there has been lots of works with skyscrapers and such.

I never had such bad feelings passing there. But of course South Bologna is nicer than North one. And of course there are zones not particularly attractive, like Pilastro and maybe Bolognina...
We choosed to walk because we knew about ZTL area in Bologna and didn't want to risk a fine for entering it. It wasn't a very pleasant walk back to the hotel because in that area there are a lot of immigrants just staying and chatting by the side of the road... and they don't look very trustful. I always had the sense that someone is chasing us. More, near the hotel I noticed that is an area where hookers like to stay. I saw them every evening during my 3-nights stay there.
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Are you going by car? I drove only once inside Milano, I was about to abandon the car and run away screaming
i drove suburbs of Napoli, and crazy road Castellammare di Stabia - Sorrento so I'm not that affraid.
btw, I'm actually going to Biella, but I think i will try to catch few hours in Milano.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #22073
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We choosed to walk because we knew about ZTL area in Bologna and didn't want to risk a fine for entering it. It wasn't a very pleasant walk back to the hotel because in that area there are a lot of immigrants just staying and chatting by the side of the road... and they don't look very trustful. I always had the sense that someone is chasing us. More, near the hotel I noticed that is an area where hookers like to stay. I saw them every evening during my 3-nights stay there.
Yes, via Stalingrado is famous for hookers. But you can find them also in the viali (I remember one elderly hooker every night in viale Carlo Berti Pichat... )

ZTL in Bologna is only in the historical centre, and not all of it. Via Indipendenza (from via Righi to the city centre), via Ugo Bassi and via Rizzoli are off limits, and the most central part of via Zamboni, too. Sometimes they shut via Marconi, but it's usually well signed.
Rest is drivable

EDIT: Apparently, it's not like that anymore
http://www.comune.bologna.it/media/f...l_20122013.pdf
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I used to see them by the dozens entering Rome via the Via Salaria...
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Turin is also not trivial to drive in. They have this long boulevards and accessory roads on their side (called counter-boulevards, "controviali"), and driving on them is tricky. For instance, on the boulevard you can just go straight; if you want to turn left or right, you have to go before on the counter-boulevard. So basically you are in the boulevard, you go right into the counter-boulevard and then you can turn left, crossing the boulevard at the intersection.

I was scared as hell last week, but I guess I will get used to it.
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I've been 4 times in Padova. I like the great churches, Il Santo, Santa Giustina, Duomo with Battistero. The rest of the city did not impressed me at all...

In October I'll visit Milano (3rd visit), Bergamo (4th visit), Brescia and Bologna (1st visit in my life for both). I'll fly (from Frankfurt Hahn to Bergamo 17€, from Bologna to Hahn 20€), and travel by train between these towns. I want to ride Italo trains :-)

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Sándor Tarics, born 23 Sep 1913 was olympic champion in water polo, 1936.

He's currently the oldest olympic champion in live.
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In October I'll visit Milano (3rd visit), Bergamo (4th visit), Brescia at Bologna (1st visit in my life for both).
Feel free to ask, I will still be in Brescia in October.
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Sándor Tarics, born 23 Sep 1913 was olympic champion in water polo, 1936.

He's currently the oldest olympic champion in live.
Well, doping wasn't invented yet.
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I gues not, another world. Immagine Bud spencer once said that back in the ´50s waterpolo and other competitions were very tough as today but dopping....well nothing like that were existing and after 60 something years he could remember some hungarian waterpolo players by name!!
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