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Old September 25th, 2013, 04:39 PM   #22081
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average financial wealth

western europe: 60.000€ per capita
eastern europe: 4.000€ per capita

https://www.allianz.com/v_1379937740.../AGWR2013e.pdf (pages 72 and 85 respectively)

what a major difference
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Old September 25th, 2013, 04:46 PM   #22082
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Does that include homeownership wealth? I doubt if the average Western European has € 60.000 on their bank account. I know people who earn € 2000 net per month and have no savings at all because they piss it all away.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 04:46 PM   #22083
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Where is Slovenia located, east or west?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #22084
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Every time I passed through Slovenia I had a feeling that I'm in Western Europe, not in ex-Yugoslavia.

*except for the language, which I don't like
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:03 PM   #22085
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*except for the language, which I don't like
Why?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #22086
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Maybe because my native language is latin-based (so I understand easily French, Italian or Spanish for example) and my second language is English, which is Germanic (Anglo-Saxon). Slavic languages have nothing in common with the 2 types of languages that I'm used to, so that's why I don't understand it and don't like it in particular.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:07 PM   #22087
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Every time I passed through Slovenia I had a feeling that I'm in Western Europe, not in ex-Yugoslavia.

*except for the language, which I don't like
Slovenia is very interesting. In the area near Austrian border, it feels Austrian, on the coast, it has an Italian feel. But it feels clean and tidy and people civilized. In Croatia I only was in Istria, where I had a similar impression.

Have to go also in the east part someday. Maybe next year, since I'm thinking to detour my vacation in Romania through Maribor/Zabgreb...

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Maybe because my native language is latin-based (so I understand easily French, Italian or Spanish for example) and my second language is English, which is Germanic (Anglo-Saxon). Slavic languages have nothing in common with the 2 types of languages that I'm used to, so that's why I don't understand it and don't like it in particular.
Not entirely true, Romanian has quite some Slavic influence. I recognized a lot of words which where the same, if not in High Romanian, then in Banatian dialect.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #22088
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[...]it has an Italian feel. But it feels clean and tidy and people civilized.
I like that "but"
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #22089
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Does that include homeownership wealth? I doubt if the average Western European has € 60.000 on their bank account. I know people who earn € 2000 net per month and have no savings at all because they piss it all away.
This is very important. People outside Bratislava always complain about how much money do workers in Bratislava earn. The average monthly income is about 1 200 € in Bratislava, 900 € in entire Slovakia and 750 € in less developed regions.

But the three-room apartment costs at least 100.000 € in Bratislava and 9.000 € in less developed areas in Slovakia at the same time. What a huge difference especially if we talk about occupations with chart-related salaries (e.g. medicine doctor with 1 year experiences earn 500 € everywhere).

This goes also for Europe
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #22090
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I like that "but"
That "but" was meant for comparison with "eastern Euope", not Italy

I was only in Südtirol until now, only till San Candido and back to Austria. I have to say, even there, for a person used with Germans all the time, it was different and more alive . I forgot, I've also driven through whole Trieste and then on A4 and all A23. It was ok pretty much ok.

I will see more next week . My route will be over Brenner towards Venice and back over A4 and A23.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #22091
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^good route

slovenia only looks austrian or italian in some places, the system underneath is well eastern (still)

it says per capita, so an average westerneuropean familly would have 240.000€ on its account, which sounds a bit not real to me.

and no, it doesn't include real estate.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:43 PM   #22092
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Switzerland, Luxembourg, Norway and some microstates (Liechtenstein, Monaco) are well above that.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #22093
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On return trip, that will be Friday the 4th, I plan to visit Udine and Gorizia, also the Piazza della Transalpina/Evropski trg. I saw on Streetview that you can park directly at the square, is that right?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #22094
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sure, it's not city centre type square
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #22095
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Does that include homeownership wealth? I doubt if the average Western European has € 60.000 on their bank account. I know people who earn € 2000 net per month and have no savings at all because they piss it all away.
No, its just the financial wealth. You need to look at it only as a statistics. The wealth is highly skewed. The average sits quite higher then the median and the top 10 % has most of the pile.

Furthermore, the are several types of financial wealth. The actual savings are not that high, the pension plans and stock shares make the bulk of it.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #22096
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http://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/...ref=HRESS-10#1

A guy with his VW, not knowing the area, was stuck inside a pedestrian underpass in Saronno, near Varese (Italy). From one side the underpass is road like, but on the other side there are tight curves and stairs. He was freed by firemen after one hour of work, but he was not fined: policemen noticed the absolute lack of signs in the area, so the guy did nothing wrong, technically:



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Old September 25th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #22097
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average financial wealth

western europe: 60.000€ per capita
eastern europe: 4.000€ per capita

https://www.allianz.com/v_1379937740.../AGWR2013e.pdf (pages 72 and 85 respectively)

what a major difference
Switzerland ahead of India in total financial assets.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #22098
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On return trip, that will be Friday the 4th, I plan to visit Udine and Gorizia, also the Piazza della Transalpina/Evropski trg. I saw on Streetview that you can park directly at the square, is that right?
Park here, in Slovenia, near the railway station. It's free and it has plenty of unoccupied parking spaces.
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The latest development to fuel mankind's social media addiction:
Governor Cuomo Unveils "Texting Zones" Along NYS Thruway and Highways for Drivers to Pull Over and Use Their Cell Phones
http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/092...-texting-zones

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