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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #22461
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I always thought "farther" is more related to actual spatial distances while the meaning of "further" is broader. "After further considerations" not "after farther considerations".
That is in fact the traditional rule, but most people don't seem to know it these days and seem to favor "further." So in casual, everyday use, "further" is never wrong.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #22462
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I am by no means perfect in English....
But damn close.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #22463
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Reminds me of the town of ******* in Austria.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #22464
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Yes, but again mostly in America. I can't say that Brits never use the word farther, but it's not common use anyway. My UK spelling checker only knows it with a capital F - like as if it's some locality or something...

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Interesting. I didn't know that was different in Britain than here.
We (Americans) have also kept the subjunctive alive. ("I suggest that he go...")
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #22465
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Further and farther don't mean the same though.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:57 PM   #22466
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Further and farther don't mean the same though.
Isn't the first one within time aspect and the second one within spatial, is it?
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Old October 15th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #22467
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Already answered a few posts up....

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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #22468
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I am by no means perfect in English, but I've seen several recurring spelling errors amongst native speakers, especially then/than, we're/were and your/you're. I find it personally hard to decide when to use "farther" and "further". Further up the road, farther west than...?
I think those aren't mistakes but abbreviations used in informal language (SMS, chat,...) to type faster. Obviously they are grammatically wrong and may be confusing to non-native English speakers. In Italian we use k to replace ch in SMSs because they have the same sound. However I would never use them in public like in a forum.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #22469
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I think those aren't mistakes but abbreviations used in informal language (SMS, chat,...) to type faster. Obviously they are grammatically wrong and may be confusing to non-native English speakers. In Italian we use k to replace ch in SMSs because they have the same sound. However I would never use them in public like in a forum.
K m8,i ave 2 tel u dat ive given up talkin like dat yrs ago coz im not a kid anymor u no wot i mean guv its just lazy nuffin else.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #22470
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K m8,i ave 2 tel u dat ive given up talkin like dat yrs ago coz im not a kid anymor u no wot i mean guv its just lazy nuffin else.
Dude, it hurts my eyes a lot
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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #22471
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I think those aren't mistakes but abbreviations used in informal language (SMS, chat,...) to type faster. Obviously they are grammatically wrong and may be confusing to non-native English speakers. In Italian we use k to replace ch in SMSs because they have the same sound. However I would never use them in public like in a forum.
No, people have been making those mistakes since long before texting was invented. It just shows that they don't understand grammar. (Since native speakers learn to speak before they learn to spell, and "your" and "you're" sound alike, they may misuse them if they don't get the grammatical difference, whereas to a foreign learner they're different words from the day they're learned.)
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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #22472
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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #22473
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Dude, it hurts my eyes a lot
Really!
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:12 PM   #22474
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Well, I completely feel like 12 years ago, when I used to play Counter-Strike game against other kids in my neighbourhood. They too loved leet a lot.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #22475
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once i said i wanted to go all lowercase due to budget cuts. so maybe it's time to do that...
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:17 PM   #22476
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No, people have been making those mistakes since long before texting was invented. It just shows that they don't understand grammar. (Since native speakers learn to speak before they learn to spell, and "your" and "you're" sound alike, they may misuse them if they don't get the grammatical difference, whereas to a foreign learner they're different words from the day they're learned.)
It happens in Italian as well. The most common mistakes here are:
- Qual'è instead of qual è (what is). It's because most "cut" words in Italian uses the apostrophe but qual isn't a "cut" word.
- Po or instead of po' (a little of stng).
- Confusion between se (if) and (itself\himself\herself).
- Confusion between da (from) and (he\she\it gives).
- We write scienza (science), coscienza (awareness), but conoscenza (knowledge). Scie and sce are pronounced in the same way, so you can imagine the consequences.
- Cieco (blind) and ceco (Czech) are pronounced in the same way.
- Euri as plural of euro (it's still euro, so 2€ is "due euro" and not "due euri", but most masculine words ending in -o have the plural in -i).
- Areoporto or aereoporto instead of aeroporto (airport).

Obviously, all educated people know this stuff above but many uneducated ones make such mistakes.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #22477
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #22478
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:41 PM   #22479
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once i said i wanted to go all lowercase due to budget cuts. so maybe it's time to do that...
I had a boss once who justified (or tried to) her failure to capitalize and punctuate in e-mails by saying her time was too valuable for the extra keystrokes....
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #22480
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It happens in Italian as well. The most common mistakes here are:
- Qual'è instead of qual è (what is). It's because most "cut" words in Italian uses the apostrophe but qual isn't a "cut" word.
- Po or instead of po' (a little of stng).
- Confusion between se (if) and (itself\himself\herself).
- Confusion between da (from) and (he\she\it gives).
- We write scienza (science), coscienza (awareness), but conoscenza (knowledge). Scie and sce are pronounced in the same way, so you can imagine the consequences.
- Cieco (blind) and ceco (Czech) are pronounced in the same way.
- Euri as plural of euro (it's still euro, so 2€ is "due euro" and not "due euri", but most masculine words ending in -o have the plural in -i).
- Areoporto or aereoporto instead of aeroporto (airport).

Obviously, all educated people know this stuff above but many uneducated ones make such mistakes.
And I've found that as I use French more I start to make spelling errors I wouldn't have when I was a beginner... I must be thinking in spoken rather than written French, or something, so that I might produce an incorrect spelling that still sounds right, if you know what I mean.... use one verb form when I should use another but the two are pronounced the same way.
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