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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:31 PM   #22681
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"Hatred"? Where do you see hatred? All I did was disagree with you. Get a grip.
Uhh, the words you use suggest otherwise... You're acting a bit hostile, at least, that's what I'm picking up from your choice of words.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #22682
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See my last post. I admit to finding this irritating. But there's a big difference between irritation and hatred.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:34 PM   #22683
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"Hatred"? Where do you see hatred? All I did was disagree with you. Get a grip.
English is not my native language, I chose a wrong word. I'm sorry. I meant "tenacity" maybe.

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And yes, it's just a system. But from my point of view (I do have a right to a point of view, right?), the question becomes why does it matter to you which one we use?
Generally speaking it doesn't. But no man's an island, and no country either. Everything is intertwined, and I'm sorry but I think it matters. It's my point of view. So I could ask. "Why does it matter to you what we think about the system you use?"

EDIT: By the way, it's not very polite to answer a question with another question. I wasn't attacking you, I just genuinely wanted to know.

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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:37 PM   #22684
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See my last post. I admit to finding this irritating. But there's a big difference between irritation and hatred.
Ah, missed that post. Got it now
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:38 PM   #22685
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not caring which system is better or worse.
This has never been about what's better and what's worse.

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Moreover, I thank god (does he/she really exist?) for letting them remain different, even if it might have been less efficient.
THis is a statement I'll never understand. I wonder why anyone would want to have something less efficient.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #22686
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Tradition?

By the way, I did not say it was less efficient, I do not care. It's their (Imperial measures users) business, not ours.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #22687
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Tradition?
Only that? Really?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #22688
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Let's not depreciate tradition, whatever it's related to. I am old enough to understand that not all what most modern suits everyone. I also do not need modernity in many parts of my live; for instance: I prefer Mercedes W124 to W212, I prefer maps to Sat Nav and I use very old and simple Nokia instead of modern phone-lookalike devices made by Apple or Samsung. However, I do not mind if someone else uses all these stuff.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #22689
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The U.S customary units are illogical, but it hasn't stand in the way of progress. Virtually all major technological advancements of the 20th century originated in the United States, whether it's the atomic age, the space race, military superiority, or the technological advancements out of Silicon Valley. This forum runs on Vbulletin, which was created in the U.S. Millions of people use Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, all of which are made by Americans.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #22690
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Again, Chris, it's not the system. Every system is good on its own, every system is more or less arbitrary. The issue here is why using two systems - or more, complicating relationships, when it's not necessary.
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Changing the system may be costly. Not only direct finances, but all the costs associated with the people having to learn and understand new system, that's the biggest problem.

If there would not be costs associated, I guess it would be changed swiftly, tradition or not.

And to be honest, it doesn't affect only Americans. When I come across imperial units I get irritated, because I need to recalculate it in my head. But yeah, imagine if the system was changed, all the people in the USA having to recalculate everything in their heads... at least for some time.

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Old October 26th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #22692
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If you choose to follow the traditions in everything you do, how will you ever develop as a society/nation/economy?

The imperial measurement system is just plainly worse, there's nothing to discuss there. I's more complicated, it's less efficient and there aren't enough units for crying out loud. If the imperial system was as good as the metric system, there wouldn't be only 2 countries in the world that haven't adopted it.

It looks to me that the Americans don't like the metric system just because they didn't invent it.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #22693
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If you choose to follow the traditions in everything you do, how will you ever develop as a society/nation/economy?

The imperial measurement system is just plainly worse, there's nothing to discuss there. I's more complicated, it's less efficient and there aren't enough units for crying out loud. If the imperial system was as good as the metric system, there wouldn't be only 2 countries in the world that haven't adopted it.

It looks to me that the Americans don't like the metric system just because they didn't invent it.
They never invented the imperial system.
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Changing the system may be costly. Not only direct finances, but all the costs associated with the people having to learn and understand new system, that's the biggest problem.

If there would not be costs associated, I guess it would be changed swiftly, tradition or not.
Euro changeover was costly. I'm no economist, but it simplified things and in the long run benefits outrun costs. At least, so they say.
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I think the changeover was relatively painless in Ireland. I remember when they were in the middle of it, and there was a strange mixture of miles and kilometres on the roads. It's all in km now.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #22696
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I think the changeover was relatively painless in Ireland. I remember when they were in the middle of it, and there was a strange mixture of miles and kilometres on the roads. It's all in km now.
Must have been strange, especially in case of speed limits
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It's their (Imperial measures users) business, not ours.
And THAT may be why this is so irritating. (Once in a while, I would understand. But every few weeks? And about a matter that is more our business than anyone else's. And the same thing happens with Britain's using its own currency or driving on the left. And Americans' having our own sports. There seems to be an assumption, perhaps an unconscious one, at play that anything anyone outside Continental Europe does differently from the Continental European way needs to be explained, if not justified. Which I frankly find rather arrogant.)
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....EDIT: By the way, it's not very polite to answer a question with another question....
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It looks to me that the Americans don't like the metric system just because they didn't invent it.
Eurocentric bullcrap with no basis whatsoever other than your own prejudices. (And why aren't you picking on the Brits, too?)
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If you choose to follow the traditions in everything you do, how will you ever develop as a society/nation/economy?

The imperial measurement system is just plainly worse, there's nothing to discuss there. I's more complicated, it's less efficient and there aren't enough units for crying out loud. If the imperial system was as good as the metric system, there wouldn't be only 2 countries in the world that haven't adopted it.

It looks to me that the Americans don't like the metric system just because they didn't invent it.
We seem to have done all right. When Estonia has its first moon landing, get back to me. :rolleyes:
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